Retaking classes you got Bs in...

<p>Holy crap...nspeds just wrote a dissertation entirely devoted to me!</p>

<p>He does make a good point though, I wouldn't say I agree with all of it, but his facts are compelling. It still doesn't change the fact that education lies as much within the individual as it does the professor...his examples are acceptions to the rule. The vast majority of professors at top 25 schools are not Noble laureates (belive me I checked when I was applying), there are alot of duds...of course this is assuming that the professors themselves, and not the TA's, are the ones teaching the class.</p>

<p>Bottom line, the programs by and large are not that different. I'm sorry, I know to many people at these top schools for you to ever convince me of anything different. If you want to be a political writer or a politician, refusing to attend Harvard is not going to spell doom to your career.</p>

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<p>I am inclined to agree.</p>

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<p>You mean "exception," right?</p>

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The vast majority of professors at top 25 schools are not Noble laureates (belive me I checked when I was applying),

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<p>Did you see the credentials of the other professors of which I posted?</p>

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<p>A common - and legitimate - complaint about Harvard</p>

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Bottom line, the programs by and large are not that different.

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<p>In content, I would be inclined to agree, once again; but in terms of teaching style, insight, and so forth, there is enormous variation; you cannot expect to reach the same understanding of Kant from a regular philosophy professor at Tufts as a Kantian Scholar at Harvard.</p>

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If you want to be a political writer or a politician, refusing to attend Harvard is not going to spell doom to your career.

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<p>I never claimed that in the first place; in fact, you simply cannot go wrong in attending any 25 schools as all possess an excellent reputation.</p>

<p>The professor aspect of Harvard is one thing, I have yet to argue about the research opportunities that are offered, the resources, and the philosophy journal; at how many colleges will you find the great communitarian, Michael Sandel, guest-lecturing? At how many universities will you find the late Jacques Derrida lecturing (I know he was once at Rice)? Did Jurgen Habermas not lecture at Northwestern?</p>

<p>The enormous endowement at Harvard allows the university to attract many scholars; except for the Ivys, Rice, Georgetown, and a handful of others, I do not know of any other school in the Top 25 that can do the same.</p>

<p>"You mean "exception," right?"</p>

<p>Seriously dude, if correcting me is a fettish, up unto the point where your willing to devote your whole afternoon to doing so, just let me know. This is not healthy, your rather fixation is as nausiating as it is terrifying. You must be a devil with the ladies...lol</p>

<p>"Did you see the credentials of the other professors of which I posted?"</p>

<p>Those are not the general rule...most professors at top 25 schools haven't won anything</p>

<p>"you simply cannot go wrong in attending any 25 schools as all possess an excellent reputation."</p>

<p>Is that why you apply to these schools? For a rep? Thats a terrible waste of cash if you ask me.</p>

<p>"I do not know of any other school in the Top 25 that can do the same"</p>

<p>Exactly my point...most of these schools are incredibly overrated. I agree, if you take 8 or 9 of the award winning professors at Harvard, use those professors to generalize all the professors at Harvard...than yes, Harvard is hard to beat. Again though, do you honestly think these world renowned professors are going to devote any meaningful amount of time to undergraduates?</p>

<p>"I have yet to argue about the research opportunities that are offered"</p>

<p>Agreed!!!</p>

<p>"Did Jurgen Habermas not lecture at Northwestern?"</p>

<p>Couldn't possibly care less!!!</p>

<p>You have to look at this realistically. Most students, including the vast majority of those at HYP,etc just want a degree. Most couldn't give a damn about Kant, Hidigger or anyone else once the exam is over. My point is unless there is some specialized aspect of a school, such as a focus in Kantian philosophy, than there is really no reason to fret about not being there. If you just want to major in Philosophy or Political Science, without devoting the remainder of your existance to the subject, than community college is every bit as useful as Harvard. Face it man, most folks just want to live a normal life...I've met a crapload of folks at Harvard and trust me when I say they have no aspirations of devoting their life to Kant or whoever. They want some cash, a decent job and a girl...thats what most people want</p>

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Seriously dude, if correcting me is a fettish, up unto the point where your willing to devote your whole afternoon to doing so, just let me know. This is not healthy, your rather fixation is as nausiating as it is terrifying. You must be a devil with the ladies...lol

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<p>This is your first and last warning, if you cannot write properly, then I will not read your post; writing with such atrocious grammar and rhetoric is an insult to the reader.</p>

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those are not the general rule...most professors at top 25 schools haven't won anything

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<p>Read their credentials again, they do not only include awards, and yes, it is a general rule.</p>

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Is that why you apply to these schools? For a rep? Thats a terrible waste of cash if you ask me.

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<p>Where did I state that? Did I not just write a lengthy "dissertation" on why Harvard is, indeed, a better choice than Tufts, none of which even touched on "reputation." Learn to read.</p>

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Exactly my point...most of these schools are incredibly overrated. I agree, if you take 8 or 9 of the award winning professors at Harvard, use those professors to generalize all the professors at Harvard...than yes, Harvard is hard to beat. Again though, do you honestly think these world renowned professors are going to devote any meaningful amount of time to undergraduates?

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<p>First, thank you for ripping my quote out of context. Secondly, I did in no way generalize. My statements about the professors, as can be seen by my evidence, were all in regard to the philosophy department. I used the philosophy department because you evoked terms such as "Hobbes" "Kant," and so forth. Would you like to alter the playing ground so I can prove how Harvard is superior in every other department in comparison to Tufts?</p>

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Again though, do you honestly think these world renowned professors are going to devote any meaningful amount of time to undergraduates?

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<p>You would be surprised, both Dr. Scanlon and Dr. Parfit were there when I
attended.</p>

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Couldn't possibly care less!!!

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<p>They were examples. Whether you care or not is irrelevant, however, they do substantiate my point quite well.</p>

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You have to look at this realistically.

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<p>I am not the one arguing that Tufts and Harvard are essentially the same.</p>

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Most students, including the vast majority of those at HYP,etc just want a degree.

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<p>This does not help your argument, it is irrelevant.</p>

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Most couldn't give a damn about Kant, Hidigger or anyone else once the exam is over.

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<p>This does not help your argument either.</p>

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My point is unless there is some specialized aspect of a school, such as a focus in Kantian philosophy, than there is really no reason to fret about not being there.

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<p>What if they have an expertise in almost all departments of philosophy, like... umm... Harvard?</p>

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If you just want to major in Philosophy or Political Science, without devoting the remainder of your existance to the subject, than community college is every bit as useful as Harvard.

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<p>This does not help your argument either.</p>

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Face it man, most folks just want to live a normal life...I've met a crapload of folks at Harvard and trust me when I say they have no aspirations of devoting their life to Kant or whoever.

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<p>Perhaps because they are majoring in something else?</p>

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They want some cash, a decent job and a girl...thats what most people want

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<p>A degree from Harvard will almost guarantee them first-rate access to all.</p>

<p>Both of you use pretty bad grammar. This thread is now entirely off-topic.</p>

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Both of you use pretty bad grammar

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<p>Judging from your last post, you do not have much for which to speak; though I know I am committing a Tu Quoque fallacy, which is a legitimate fallacy unlike the one you made up, one should at least possess the cognitive faculty to distinguish between "acception" and "exception."</p>

<p>"I am not the one arguing that Tufts and Harvard are essentially the same"</p>

<p>Learn to read! I'm saying there is HYP, and then there is everybody else. Unless your going to one of these schools than there really isn't much difference.</p>

<p>I've been curious throughout this discussion as to what school you attend. I know for a fact its not HYP, or anywhere comparable, so why are you expending so much of your time in defending them?</p>

<p>"This is your first and last warning, if you cannot write properly, then I will not read your post"</p>

<p>Do yourself a favor and stop reading ALL posts. I simply refuse to believe that someone with 5 times my post count in only twice the time has any semblance of a real life. There are greater things in life than this message board, I see no reason why I should divest any energy into upholding even the most minimal gramatic standards, especially when I confront the reality that this board is by and large pervaded by introverted little freaks such as yourself.</p>

<p>I ask that you show a little respect towards me, I've done nothing to provoke such disrespect from you.</p>

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Learn to read! I'm saying there is HYP, and then there is everybody else. Unless your going to one of these schools than there really isn't much difference.

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<p>What about Columbia, Dartmouth, Cornell, or Rice?</p>

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I've been curious throughout this discussion as to what school you attend. I know for a fact its not HYP, or anywhere comparable, so why are you expending so much of your time in defending them?

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<p>I can attend a lower-ranked school and still maintain a profound respect for those who attend such institutions and the institutions themselves.</p>

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I simply refuse to believe that someone with 5 times my post count in only twice the time has any semblance of a real life.

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<p>You know nothing of me or my life.</p>

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<p>Then what is this?</p>

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<p>Or this?</p>

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Have you ever heard of sarcasm? No I didn't think so Billy...thats what I'm going to call you from now on: Billy. OK, listen Billy, I don't need you to draw out 2nd grade math for me step by step...I'm sure you are really smart Billy so I don't see why you persist in pointing out the most obvious things unless of course your doing it to squelch your ever present feelings of inferiority.

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<p>By the way, in regard to my presence on this forum, when my college career - my life - is on the line, you can bet one million dollars that I will be looking for even a granule of advice. I post since I like to provide advice and I respond to those who have inquiries or who might be posting incorrect information.</p>

<p>If the post with incorrect information contains atrocious grammer, I will not read it or respond; if it is sufficiently legible in grammatical manner, then I will read and respond.</p>

<p>Perhaps if you apologize for your remarks toward me lately, I would be willing to adopt a more palatable demeanor when conversing with you.</p>

<p>Sorry man, but there is absolutely no excuse for having that many posts in such a short amount of time. NO EXCUSE!!! </p>

<p>When you devote your entire existence towards grammer corrections on a meaningless forum...well then you've forfeited any hopes of receiving any respect from me or anyone else</p>

<p>I don't understand why someone who's introverted is immediately labeled a "freak". :o That's kinda harsh.</p>

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Sorry man, but there is absolutely no excuse for having that many posts in such a short amount of time. NO EXCUSE!!!

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<p>Right, you are suddenly the authority on what "proper life" is; do not waste time here, we could use you on Oprah.</p>

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<p>I do not correct every grammatical error, in fact, your error, among the hundreds you commit, was the first one I corrected in two weeks; tsk tsk, making hasty generalizations again? </p>

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well then you've forfeited any hopes of receiving any respect from me or anyone else

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<p>I do not care for your respect and I do not recommend your speaking for others. Have you ever heard the phrase "speak for yourself?"</p>

<p>Actually you know what. I'm willing to be the man in all of this and apologize...</p>

<p>I'm sorry</p>

<p>I've got nothing against you really, you seem like a smart guy, an overall decent human being...but just for future reference I don't take kindly to people talking down to me, especially when its over something trivial like grammer. Come on dude, this is a webpage...lighten up. </p>

<p>Anyways, for whatever its worth, sorry.</p>

<p>Fellow spectator Nikki, is this bout going to go the distance, or do you forsee a knockout?</p>

<p>:)</p>

<p>I'm generally inclined to agree with nspeds, but I had a truly visceral reaction to this horrible thread. Nspeds, you are generally correct (I venture to make a "hasty generalization" - perhaps you'll forgive me), but I don’t see how you can deny that you are a pedant. Your contention about not making a grammatical correction in two-weeks seems to me far-fetched, as I recall you recently questioning my diction. Please, let the thread die. I think any interested parties should continue their stale argument in more aptly titled thread.</p>

<p>I'm not sure Toph..But..for whatever it's worth, I DO respect nspeds..just throwing that out there.. :-/</p>

<p>I'm generally inclined to agree with nspeds, but I had a truly visceral reaction to this horrible thread. Nspeds, you are generally correct (I venture to make a "hasty generalization" - perhaps you'll forgive me), but I don’t see how you can deny that you are a pedant. Your contention about not making a grammatical correction in two-weeks seems to me far-fetched, as I recall you recently questioning my diction. Please, let the thread die. I think any interested parties should continue their stale argument in a more aptly titled thread.</p>

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Anyways, for whatever its worth, sorry.

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<p>Is correcting diction the same as correcting grammar? I was not aware it fell in the same category</p>

<p>Whoops. That was smooth. Anyway, let the thread die now!</p>

<p>So umm..Go Spartans? :D</p>

<p>nspeds, you might want to check out Asperger's Syndrome . . .</p>