reverse racism and sexism

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<p>Props to evil<em>asian</em>dictator. </p>

<p>Affirmative action is just bull. It helps everyone except asians. They say it doesn't help whites, but if it hurts asians especially Chinese, it is making the field less competitive for whites. </p>

<p>I don't buy that bull about affirmative action helping people who have suffered in the past. My mother's side was considered "bourgeois" since my grandfather had a brother who escaped to Taiwan and criticized China, which forced to my mother's side to be extremely poor as punishment for being "anticommunist". My grandfather was forced to declare his "crimes" each day on paper and work in the icy fields of harbin. My father came from a chinese farm (without luxuries like electricity) and grew up herding pigs and reading books in the same time. He frequented the local library and studied mathematics, physics, and chemistry (shulihua), by himself while others smoked and played cards. When Mao died in 1976, he was able to go to college and was given a full scholarship to America after 4 years. I am the son of these people. </p>

<p>While I do not mind the fact that affirmative action exists helps only underrepresented minorities, I find it disgusting is that Americans claim they do this to help "historically impoverished cultures" and openly discriminate against people who are born to true poverty. I doubt the suffering of most blacks in America can compare with the suffering of the Chinese during the cultural revolution, especially since people in 1960-1961 could not even eat in China because of a nationwide famine.</p>

<p>Rather than AA, just use something based on economic background and preferrably not just the year before college. Include all 18 years of life before college, which would drastically help me since my dad worked as an associate professor for 10 years (not a high paying job).</p>

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<p>Some of you people are just morons. Boo hoo, big bad black man made a white joke here and there. My how the tables have turned!</p>

<p>The fact is that black people are the orphans of the world. They were forcibly uprooted from their homelands in Africa to serve evil masters elsewhere. Their long-awaited "freedom" was, and is, a total sham. Just think about it: where do black Americans belong? In America, a country they've lived in for hundreds of years yet have never held any kind of meaningful power? In Africa, where only their skin tone creates any kind of unity amongst them and native Africans? You can tell any immigrant to go back to their country, but what do you tell a black person? They've got nowhere to go, because whether they like it or not, America is their home now. Their ancestral and family history has largely been lost, and their new story begins with being under the whip of some plantation owner who may or may not have broke up their family as well. So, you've got nowhere to go, your identity has been warped, and you've been marginalized for centuries, and discrimination is still going on. Nah, they should just "get over it" because a few non-blacks are too thin-skinned at Open Mic Night.</p>

<p>And what's with this paranoia against affirmative action? Has anybody here personally had their lives destroyed because the mythical lazy black/Latino person got in solely because of race? So maybe you didn't get into the Ivy League. There are too many good schools in the country for you to lose out every single time to the AA beneficiary (that mysterious entity is probably good friends with other similar characters just as The Jew, the job-stealing immigrant, etc.). Or maybe you're just not that desirable an applicant.</p>

<p>And I'm sure AA is not perfect, like every other government initiative, but at least the presidency and 99% of the senate is still very safe for rich white people.</p>

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<p>I hate AA. Not because of the idea, but the fact that I can be better than someone and get rejected because of the color of my skin. If I get into a particular college, let it be on merit, not because of what I look like, or what colleges think I look like. That said:</p>

<p>People need to stop thinking that their life is the hardest out there. Everybody has their share of difficulties, stop b****ing and deal with it. Seniorsrule, instead of complaining about AA, why don't you just step up your game, and compete like Asians have been doing for the past century. When you see a caucasian and an equally qualified asian apply for a job at the same time, 90% of the time, the white guy will get it. You can call that a culture barrier, or whatever, but face the facts. Caucasians get more advantages in our society than anybody else. End of story.
Making white jokes is the same as making black jokes, racism. But, white jokes aren't infinitely more cruel than black jokes, so chill out. Everyone's fighting the same tide here anyway.
And finally, if you're trying to tell me that people don't fell the pain of their ancestors, you have to be crazy. Look at the black people that are outcasts in this country and in Africa. And if you want to argue that point as well, we can take a look at the "massive improvement" in standards of African American life.</p>

<p>Goodness, self pitying b******s get me riled up.</p>

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<p>No Ranks, the good stereotype i was talking about is that all asians are smart, which you definitely agreed with in your last post.</p>

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No Ranks, the good stereotype i was talking about is that all asians are smart, which you definitely agreed with in your last post.

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<p>You idiot. You mentioned stereotypes directly after Northstarmom posted this:</p>

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If anyone should be complaining about an imbalance, it's Asians because overall their scores are much higher than any other racial or ethnic group's scores. While they account for as much as 1/3 of the population at many top private universities, since such colleges want diverse student bodies, many Asians are being turned down in favor of other students -- INCLUDING WHITES -- whose scores and gpas are lower.</p>

<p>In reference to how some have suggested that blacks just need to catch up to other minorities who have excelled academically, one can say the same about whites needing to work harder to catch up with Asians, many of whom come from nonEnglish speaking families. If you check in CC's archives, you can find threads about an area where white families were taking their kids out of a public school because they didn't want their kids to have to compete with high scoring, high gpa Asians, who got those scores and gpa because they were willing to study much harder than most of their classmates in the school.

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<p>Please point out where she said all Asians are smart. Oh wait, she didn't. Her "thesis" was that: </p>

<p>"If anyone should be complaining about an imbalance, it's Asians because overall their scores are much higher than any other racial or ethnic group's scores." </p>

<p>I sought out to prove this with both a case study and pointing out the simplemindedness in reaching a conclusion from what happened at a single school, and a small one at that. In fact, what you said in reply had nothing to do with test scores at all but who got admitted into a single college, which comes from a myriad of reasons with test scores as a single component. </p>

<p>Seeing as how you can't begin to understand the meanings of posts that are literally spelled out in front of you, it makes it easier to imagine under what "horrible circumstances" you made this thread. Just keep quiet before you reveal yourself to be even more provincial.</p>

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<p>All you guys are posting is rhetoric. Do you have any facts to support what you say? Do you have any stats concerning SAT by race that is further divided by income levels, for instance?</p>

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does anyone else think that today people find it ok to discriminate against white males? in fact that is the only group it is morally ok to deride. i think its for a few reasons. one,most women, blacks, hispanics, asians, the french (yes, the french too) seem to think that every white male is racist and sexist and that it is "our turn" to face the discrimination.

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<p>White males control most things in this country. And yet they're being discriminated against to the same extent as minorities and women?? Gimmie a break. In order to partake of that discrimination, what, whites are attacking themselves?? That doesn’t make much sense.</p>

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well i have a lot of things to say to that. i never discriminated against any of you groups. i know a lot of people will probably call this thread racist and sexist, but please, tell me your reasons for this and i might change my mind. because its possible that you're right and i am racist but am scared to admit it (thats sarcastic by the way, you'll never find that combination of traits anywhere). i did not bar you from voting, keep you as a slave, put you in an internment camp during WWII, or any of that. also, it is most likely that you were never involved in any of those things either. its ... to say you feel the pain of your ancestors still. heres the thing. you all wanted equality. i think thats the right thing, too.

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<p>Well, I'll help you out then. If you only "think" that equality was the right way to go then, yes, I'd wager that racism isn't that far behind. </p>

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except you're definition of equality seems to be "having more advantages over white males." this, if you havent noticed, is not equal. affirmative action and all these special programs and scholarships for women and minorities (yeah, a lot of times it will seem there are hardly any restrictions for a program until you realize that what they want is anything but white males) are not fair, they are not equal. i invite anybody to tell me how they are, keeping in mind i never oppressed you nor have i ever received special treatment or advantages for being a white male.

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<p>But minorities and women DON'T have more advantages over white males. For every apparent double-standard I'll give you ten that minorities have to deal with. And it all stems from white privilege, which, whether you are a poor white bucktoothed farmer or a CEO, you benefit from. All the bucktoothed farmer has to do is put on a business suit. A brother has to dispel stereotypes every step of the way. And people still will have problems with him. If you want the “double-standards” to go away, attack racist institutions and become more aware of the luxuries that you are afforded, that others aren’t.</p>

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<p>In response to evil dictator's post about blacks being more affected by the present--misplaced values, irresponsible leaders and images in the media--than by the past--slavery, I'll defer you to this scary short film:</p>

<p><a href="http://www.uthtv.com/umedia/show/2052%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://www.uthtv.com/umedia/show/2052&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p>

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<p>I can tell who support Bush just by your arguments.</p>

<p>Bush: Doesn't matter if there was way more urgent threats. Getting rid of Saddam is slightly good.</p>

<p>AA fans: Doesn't matter if there are much better ways. AA helps slightly more than it hurts. </p>

<p>****ing stupid. Why bother with AA when you can just base it on where you live and income?</p>

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<p>I'm trying to find SAT means of ethnic groups based on income levels. Anyone find any?</p>

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<p>College admissions already does take into account geographic and economic factors. That's why I don't get why everyone singularly gets bent out of shape about AA. Race is only one factor of many that admissions officers look at. I never hear anyone say "I didn't get into Yale because both of my parents went to college. They gave my spot to some guy who is the first in his family to go to college. Why do I have to be punished for that?"</p>

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<p>Uhhh. you don't make sense. The reason AA is offensive is because the fact that race is a factor in admissions is rather hypocritical in the land of equality. It goes against the principle of equality of opportunity in favor of a false equality. </p>

<p>As much as I agree that asians, especially Chinese, are intellectually superior, I fail to understand why white America seeks to hold us down unless they actually recognize our superior intellect and fear us for it.</p>

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<p>Horrid as it may be, I see a "Harrison Bergeron" future in ours...</p>

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<p>Uhh, YOU don't make sense. As I said, race is only ONE factor in the admissions process. The college process is unfair to everyone who engages in it. So if parity is what bothers you, criticize the whole process, don't single out one aspect. </p>

<p>Your second paragraph is ridiculous, btw.</p>

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<p>Everyone loves playing the victim- I'm the best person b/c I get dumped on the most... Pity me... Um, no.</p>

<p>Seniorsrule- his opening post was right on the mark, white males are all seen as racist, arrogant jock-types who are born on yachts with silver spoons in their mouths. They rape women when they are horny and will screw over any other race in their rampaging spree to accumulate as much wealth and power as possible.</p>

<p>We are not all the Bush administration.</p>

<p>In reality, many white guys are just like the rest of "real" America- poor workers who merely subsist on dead-end jobs, who are looked down on by the rich elite. Money is scarce, debt is high, and life generally sucks. We do what you do- grin and bear it, try to find some entertainment within monotonous existence, and put the checkmark next to the donkey on election day. </p>

<p>The problem is that the poor-v-rich struggle becomes an all-v-whitey battle in which the 40 year old white guy at the 7-11 is dubbed responsible for the injustices that the current white azzholes in power have shamelessly participated in. The urban poor are abandoned during Hurricane Katrina? Blame the elite, not whitey. Professional dancers are assaulted at Duke University? That's the previleged, not whitey. Some rich caucasian 300-lb business man makes racist jokes, farts, lays off tons of lower-class workers and doesn't lose a wink? Again, blame wealth, not white.</p>

<p>Middle- and lower- class white folks (the main proportion here, people, look around, we dont all drive bentleys, or even anything >hondas if even a car) get dumped on just like you. Why wouldn't we? The poor are poor; we must be kept down- that's pretty obvious.</p>

<p>Look- we arent racist; we're more on your side than on anyone else's. Seniorsrule is another middle-class white guy. As a kid, he hardly sees color. He goes through school, learns about the evils of prejudice and racism and tries his damndest to respect everybody- and expects a small portion in return. He goes out in the world, is labeled as a bigot immediately. </p>

<p>His sentence- to apologize incestantly for everything he says, to go out of his way to make life easier for minorities (though his isnt much better in the least), to have to go the extra mile for college and job applications, and be mocked and jeered and 13ITCHED constantly for being a greedy-white-jock-rapist-sociopath without a conscious nor a soul who's been "winning" the game much to long and who now has to lose. I think in a simpler, quieter way that was the op's point.</p>

<p>I agree.</p>

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Uhhh. you don't make sense. The reason AA is offensive is because the fact that race is a factor in admissions is rather hypocritical in the land of equality. It goes against the principle of equality of opportunity in favor of a false equality.

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<p>You're just so focused on race b/c it has the greatest potential to affect YOU; you are merely looking out for self-interest. As pofreshnyc pointed out, college admissions is inherently biased towards certain people, amongst them being: good test takers, smart people with dumb parents, legacies, etc. Chances are that you are none of the above, thus AA based on race becomes the great evil.</p>

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As much as I agree that asians, especially Chinese, are intellectually superior, I fail to understand why white America seeks to hold us down unless they actually recognize our superior intellect and fear us for it.

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<p>Um, no. Besides, universities don't want to be full of engineering and chemistry majors which a lot of Asians are.</p>

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<p>The problem with using "race" as a determinant of admissions is the Sup Court has deemed race a suspect class and thus using it a classification, whether by employers or schools or for professional licenses such as bar admission in the variouis jurisdictions etc is nearly always violative of the equal protection clause of the U.S. Constitution</p>

<p>On the other hand adding points to applicants due to positive (generally underrepresented) geographic regions , i.e. the location of the secondary schools they apply from, does not trigger similar constitutional issues</p>

<p>Also legacy status, athletic ability, musical ability unless used as a disguised method of denying selected races admission - also generally would not trigger equal protection issues and certainly would not be deemed a suspect class per se in the nature of discrimination via race</p>

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<p>If it were wealth based affirmative action, people would still say it's not fair that someone poor and not as 'strong' got in over someone rich with better credentials.</p>

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<p>This might take a while.</p>

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Overly senstive.........until you live the same role in society as African-Americans don't judge. First and foremost 1/3 of the African-American population is below the poverty and when integration occured many if not most were thrown into what we call "ghettoes" today and pretty much forgotten. Most African-Americans leaders were either murdered, died or have sold out (Jesse Jackosn comes to mind). No one is telling Jewish people to just get over the Holocaust.........Israel slogan is "Never Again".......so why should black people just magically get over the past? Let's talk about second class education for so many, let's talk about covert forms of discrimination as major voting booths, let's talk about housing discrimination (The owner of the LA Clippers is a great example....read up), let's talk about the BS "War on Drugs" that has done nothing but put more black men in jail...........I wondered why no one cared when the crack epidemic was occuring in the city under Reagan but when it started to hit the suburbanites..........it's a state of emergency. How about statistics proving that white men are more likely to be caught with drugs in their car than black males by near 3x yet black men are twice as likely to be pulled over. Some of black america's problems are self-inflicted and I don't advocate handouts, but understand that discrimination is much alive. Being white is a priveledge in this country and don't think just because a few jokes are now taboo that black people have it easier.

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<p>BS war on drugs? Here is a clue Einstein: DON'T SELL OR DO DRUGS! Then you won't go to jail.</p>

<p>3x more likely to get pulled over? Well did you ever think that maybe black men might just happened to be 3x more likely to commit a crime. If old ladies stole 90% of goods from department stores, you don't think that maybe, just maybe, then would get followed around department stores a little bit more than everyone else. Not profiling, just common sense.</p>

<p>1/3 below the poverty level? If you are fat, have cable TV and a flush toilet, with heat in your house, you are not poor; despite what the government says the poverty line is. Look at the poor in Mexico and other 3rd world countries, they would cut off an arm to be considered "poor" in America.</p>

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The fact is that black people are the orphans of the world. They were forcibly uprooted from their homelands in Africa to serve evil masters elsewhere. Their long-awaited "freedom" was, and is, a total sham. Just think about it: where do black Americans belong? In America, a country they've lived in for hundreds of years yet have never held any kind of meaningful power? In Africa, where only their skin tone creates any kind of unity amongst them and native Africans? You can tell any immigrant to go back to their country, but what do you tell a black person? They've got nowhere to go, because whether they like it or not, America is their home now. Their ancestral and family history has largely been lost, and their new story begins with being under the whip of some plantation owner who may or may not have broke up their family as well. So, you've got nowhere to go, your identity has been warped, and you've been marginalized for centuries, and discrimination is still going on. Nah, they should just "get over it" because a few non-blacks are too thin-skinned at Open Mic Night.</p>

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Forcibly uprooted? Yeah their own people sold them. Noone ever mentioned that BLACKS sold BLACKS. It wasn't all the evil white man. Futhermore, every black person in this country should thank the Southern states for slavery so they can be here in America, pretty well off, instead of living in some African slum dying of starvation because some warlord refuses to give you food. Yeah I said it. :rolleyes:</p>

<p>As far as jokes or the "N-word" go, who cares, they are just words. Laugh it off and quit being so damn offended. I have told racist jokes before and use the "N-word," just like 95% of people in this country. Quit *****ing about petty stuff and make life better for yourself and your family, no matter what race you are. Racism will still be here long after you are all gone.</p>

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<p>Hopefully, joev didn't make a farce out of college admissions process and only got into Bob Jones University or equivalents. The thought of a mind like his partaking in intellectual discussions at reputable schools sickens me.</p>