<p>Hello all.I've just been accepted by Rose-hulman Institute of Technology days ago.
And it seems like that I may be accepted by Gatech(GT) UIUC and UW of Seattle.
I wonder which one fits me better ?
I tend to major in CS or EE.And I definitely will go on with master study.</p>
<p>So question is that which one will contribute more to getting into a higher level university to get master degree (I actually wanna get into Stanford to get my master degree..)</p>
<p>RIT,GATECH,UWS,UIUC..I really don't know which to choose.</p>
<p>In fact,I also want to know that which level are RIT and UWS on ?(in Engineering or CS circle).</p>
<p>If you are asking which university will make it easier to get to a good university for a masters degree, honestly it makes no difference whatsoever. But, some observations about those schools:</p>
<p>(1). GaTech and UIUC are the best choices for EE. For CSE, I would add UW to the list.
(2). University of Washington requires that you apply for a major, even after admission to the university. And CS there has like a 30% admit rate. EE ~50%. So keep that in mind.
(3) Rose-Hulman will have a much more small-campus feel than most of those other schools, which are huge.
(4) Don’t be so sure you want to go on to masters even before being admitted. Everyone says that at first, but expectations and priorities change rather quickly.</p>
<p>Thanks for your advice,I’ll keep those in mind.</p>
<p>You mention that RIT brings students small-campus feel, but still,I wonder which level is it on? for example,can it match GATECH or UIUC in EE or CS ?</p>
<p>And about UWS,I heard that if I want to get into CS, I’ll have to get a GPA of 3.8 or higher in my fresh and sop year,or I’d be rejected.</p>
<p>Lastly, “If you are asking which university will make it easier to get to a good university for a masters degree, honestly it makes no difference whatsoever.”<br>
I don’t understand much about this.I mean,when I apply for my graduate university,the U will certainly consider my university where I get my undergraduate degree.
For example,imagine 2 undergraduates with the same GPA,and the same other qualities.If one is from Harvard,while the other,say,a community college,then the Admission Officers will definitely choose the Harvard one.So this is what I mean:when I apply for my grad school,which one has better reputation or something like that.</p>
<p>Grad schools care about your research experience as an undergraduate. You’ll get the best research opportunities from GT (#2 in US, $379MM) and UIUC (#13 in US, $149MM). UW is #27 at $81MM, and RHIT is #233 at $1.8MM. </p>
<p>Admissions officers don’t admit grad students. Faculty do. If the community college student has two semesters of research in the field with a published paper, he will be admitted over the Harvard student with no research experience (unless you’re looking at professional programs, like MBA, JD, MD, etc).</p>
<p>It depends what you mean, by “what level”? What is your metric?
In terms of research output, no way since Rose-Hulman is not really research university. In terms of student learning, it may be superior to those research-oriented universities because of its small size and focus on undergrad education. In terms of engineering employment after graduation, you can’t go wrong with either school.</p>
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<p>Sounds about right, although maybe a bit exaggerated. But yeah, its very competitive and many are turned away. </p>
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<p>Isn’t it easier to get a high GPA at a community college than at Harvard?
I would say that going to a top school isn’t really a big advantage for graduate school. In fact it may even be a disadvantage since you could trash your GPA (in some cases). </p>
<p>Sure, all things equal, the more “prestigious” university alumni would get a slight edge but its a big oversimplification. </p>
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<p>Although I somewhat agree, this is also a bit of an oversimplification. Engineering departments that are higher ranked are so, because they have very famous professors. High profile researchers may not waste their time on undergraduates. And really for grad school (especially just masters), having a positive research exp. with good letters of recommendation is enough. You don’t need to publish a paper with einstein.</p>
<p>ok,but when you mention about the research level,what do you mean by saying “M”…
and I wonder which is more important,internship,GPA or research background ?
And I also heard that since the small size of RIT,the opportunity seems to be easier for every student to get.</p>
<p>the research output of Gatech must be higher that RIT,but what about the average level.
I mean,the research opportunities for RIT students may be more that for students of GATECH.</p>
<p>since its maybe better education for undergrad,I now may have a tendency to get into RIT.but,now I still care about the reputation,since many people haven’t heard about it,they thought it is ridiculous to get into such a college versus Gatech,UWS,etc.</p>
<p>uh,so,what do you mean…obviously gatech and uws have advantage over the others.
but I mean,in my parents’ eyes,undergrad school plays very important role in one’s life.
so,they just ask me to choose the one that fits me best.</p>
<p>Very hard to say. Probably research > Gpa > Internship > GRE.
Seriously, don’t stress so much about this. You’ve decided on graduate school before you even set foot in a university. Some people who plan on a masters degree get offered an $80k/year job after bachelors and then they just take it. If you get a great job after undergrad it may not be justifiable to do masters. </p>
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<p>I think you should maybe ask some people at Rose-Hulman, how common is it to get research experience as an undergraduate. I’m not sure. Maybe its tough to do undergraduate research at high profile overcrowded state schools. But if you’re persistent, anything is possible. </p>
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<p>If there’s anything I’ve learned from my engineering experience (I’m a grad student)…its that at the end of the day it really doesn’t matter. Just go wherever you feel like. If your goal is just to get a masters and get a job, you can go pretty much anywhere and accomplish that. If the undergraduate learning experience and environment is very important to you, go to RIT.</p>
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<p>Well, it didn’t for me. Just a bunch of hoops I had to jump through. Would have ended up the same wherever I studied.</p>
<p>Undergraduates usually don’t work for professors, they usually work directly PhD students. High profile professors mean high profile PhD students. High profile professors and PhD students publish in high profile journals.</p>
<p>RHIT professors are low profile, by design because they are not required to research. UIUC and GT professors are the top researchers in their field.</p>
<p>Let’s put it this way: if you publish in a featured article in Science (or the top journal in your particular field), GPA doesn’t matter. GRE doesn’t matter. Undergraduate school doesn’t matter. You can go to any graduate school you want, and you’ll receive a fellowship (you’ll get paid a salary greater than the other students and you’ll receive free tuition). Will you publish in that journal from RHIT? Very unlikely. They have very limited research funds and no big name professors. Can you publish in that journal from UIUC or GT? Absolutely. Students do it every year because those schools have the money to fund research and the professors with a big enough name to get their work in the journal (journals acceptances are unfortunately political). </p>
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<p>I’m going to disagree with this claim. At RHIT, you’re going to get professors more dedicated to teaching because that’s all they do. However, that also means that the professors teach more courses (5 per semester instead of 1-2 at a research university), the professors aren’t actively engaged in research so their knowledge of the field hasn’t been updated much in the 30 years since they finished their PhD (you’re not going to learn the cutting edge material that’s in the process of peer review), and the professors tend to be lower quality (teaching schools pay 30-40% less than research schools, so they attract a lower quality of academic). </p>
<p>Also consider that research professors have strong ties to industry. If GE needs to figure something out and they don’t have the means to do it themselves, they go to a professor to study it. That professor then builds a relationship. When GE then needs to hire someone, they go to that professor and say “can you recommend anyone for…” If the professor gives the recruiter your name, you’ve got a very strong inside track for that job (you might be the only one interviewed). That doesn’t happen at other schools. </p>
<p>If your aim is grad school, consider the advantage of having Prof. Smith, your research advisor, call Prof. Jones, his former advisor and current co-author at MIT and recommend you for admission to MIT. Suddenly you’re on the inside track. Would an RHIT professor who graduated 20 years ago and doesn’t currently research have the same connections? Nope. </p>
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<p>MM = million. Georgia Tech spends $379 million per year on engineering research. RHIT spends $1.8 million per year on engineering research.</p>
<p>Here are the grad schools attended by recent Rose Human graduates.</p>
<p>Graduate Schools Chosen by 2009-2010 Seniors</p>
<p>Air Force Insitute of Technology
ATI, Greenville, South Carolina
California Institute of Technology
Christ College, Cincinnati, OH
Colorado School of Mines
Georgia Tech University
Indiana University
IU School of Medicine
IUPUI
KAUST, Saudi Arabia
Northwestern University
Notre Dame
Penn State
Purdue University
Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute
Rice University
Rose-Hulman
Southern Illinois University
St. George University School of Medicine
Syracuse University
Texas A&M
Tohoku University, Japan
UC Riverside
University of Arkansas
University of Central Florida
University of Cincinnati
University of Florida
University of Hawaii
University of Illinois
University of Kansas
University of Kentucky
University of Louisville
University of Michigan, Ann Arbor
University of Pittsburgh
University of Toronto
University of Tx at Arlington
University of Washington
University of Wisconsin, Madison
USC Los Angeles
Vanderbilt
Virginia Tech</p>
<p>That doesn’t really tell you much. Applying for a professional degree and applying for a research degree are very different. How do you know if someone at, say, Virginia Tech is there for an engineering PhD or a medical degree?</p>
<p>The list tells you only which schools were attended for graduate education not, as you noted, whether it’s in engineering or medicine or MS versus PhD. In life we have to make decisions based upon incomplete and imperfect information.</p>
<p>That doesn’t mean that you make decisions based on misleading information. And if you are going to post misleading information like that, you have a responsibility to call it out.</p>
<p>There is nothing misleading about the information on the Rose-Hulman website. Similar information is available at other schools so at least everything is on a comparable basis. If ImbaWang wants more detailed information than Rose-Hulman presented then he can contact the school directly.</p>
<p>what do you mean by saying “fantastic” ?<br>
actually i want a university where many students could get offers from fine universities to continue their master degree and the academic level of engineering is high.by the way,i love soccer so much!! that’s one reason why I apply for RIT… haha</p>