<p>So what about me? </p>
<p>I'm not Japanese (Chinese) but I've lived in Japan all my life. I wouldn't say I'm proficient in speaking Japanese though.</p>
<p>Would it count against me if I take Japanese?</p>
<p>e_yalie... Nobody requires foreign language SAT II's.</p>
<p>Along the same lines as Chinese SATII...Does anyone know the percentile rank for getting an 800 in Japanese?? I'm Japanese American and even though I haven't lived in Japan for any extended period of time, I'm fairly comfortable with the language. I looked at the practice questions and they were easy enough that I could prolly manage an 800 or so.
How do you suppose it looks to Ivy Leagues if I submit Japanese as one of my 3 SATIIs? Is it frowned upon? I plan on taking US History and Math2 for my other ones, just fyi.</p>
<p>if collegeboard offers more subject tests, ie in european history or revolutions (hist) or in economics...then i mite not be so desperate to take chinese...</p>
<p>SAT II Chinese (well if u are chinese) is a very useful test to be used to apply UC's since your formulated score will go up</p>
<p>Japanese was 88%ile for an 800 a couple years ago. I bet it hasn't changed much, maybe 85 lowest.</p>
<p>whatever you guys say... i agree with J.Wang.
what's so bad about taking the chinese test?
if it's bad, why doesn't collegeboard get rid of it?</p>
<p>"SAT II Chinese (well if u are chinese) is a very useful test to be used to apply UC's since your formulated score will go up"</p>
<p>thx buddy! u made my day</p>
<p>That's what I hate about objective systems like UC's.</p>
<p>its actuall pretty unfair to say tht native chinese speakers should not take the SAT2 chinese simply because we are raised speaking it and thus gives us the advantage. How about we look at the SAT1 CR and WR, it is a whole test in favour for native english speaker, talk about advantage. You ppl have the advantage there, so wats wrong wit chinese (me) having an advantage in wat we are good at? and chinese is not suppose to be an easy language, if im not wrong, its regarded as one of the hardest language to learn (dont u ppl think they look like symbols to you? unlike french, maybe u can spot sth similar to english, but theres no way at all u could understand chinese). And the reason why an 800 is a 56th percentile is becuz theres so many chinese speakers out there (chinese being the most spoken language in the world, spanish being second), when compared to japanese, i can bet my hands tht all native jap speakers take the test as well, but just tht the amount is not enough to make the curve so hard. I mean, i live in hong kong, but my school has always taught classes in english except for chinese lesson, but since i speak chinese at home, english has always been my weakest subject. i can speak well, write well and read well, but i still do badly in the SAT eng sections. What does tht mean then? does it mean tht i cant understand what the passage is talking about, i have major grammatic problems, and tht ill have problems learning in college? i doubt so, since i dont think it will be a different learning environment language wise (our teachers are all foreign teachers as well, and we use US textbooks etc neways). And i can still excel in alll the classes like history science etc. So what does a low SAT verbal score represent? it smply means ur not a native speaker.</p>
<p>Dude, the SAT is not supposed to cater to international students. This is America, and English is our first language. Thus, it's the most important to know. Are you suggesting we have the SAT in 40 different languages or something? We may be a melting pot (or salad or whatever), but we aren't the United Nations.</p>
<p>Verbal scores simply represent competency in reading comprehension and such. Do all American natives who grew up speaking English get 800's? No!</p>
<p>Note: I don't mean to sound like a flaming nationalist or anything. No offense meant.</p>
<p>I like the comments, and each side of the argument really makes it hard to side on one.</p>
<p>Nerj brings up a good point-- the Verbal section of the SAT is definitely in favor of English speakers.</p>
<p>On the other hand, theoneo also brings up a good point-- not all English speakers get an 800 on the Verbal section.</p>
<p>I have not looked at the SAT II for Chinese, but I have glanced over a sample test of the SAT II for Korean (I am Korean, but I do not plan to take the SAT II for it), and I have noticed one huge discrepancy between the Verbal SAT I and SAT II for Korean (and probably Chinese also): The SAT II: Korean asks nothing more than what the ordinary, Korean elementary school student would be able to answer. On the other hand, the Verbal for the SAT I asks questions that are more situated for high school students. Though I am not in a Korean school, I am exposed to the language everyday (my parents are from Korea), and elementary school-level Korean is not nearly as difficult as high school-level English. This is just my two cents-- I hope we keep this discussion going!</p>
<p>um, lets put it this way, the verbal sections are HARDER than SAT2 chinese in terms of materials. I would not doubt tht. But if the verbal sections were to actually be in chinese, definitely not all chiense speakers get 800, but definitely they get an advantage. im NOT saying the SAT should be in different languages tho, cuz they are meant to kidna test ur english abilities, since we wanna study in US. But put it this way, if there were actually a SAT2 English test, i think the percentile will be just as messed up. even ppl with eng as 2nd language can get 800 for sure. um, ok, im not sure why i mentioned this pt, but ill leave it there and hope it does not get flamed. Anyways, wat i really meant is tht its nto fair to say chinese speakers should not take the test etc, its unfair tht they have an advantage etc. Im pretty sure all native speakers will be taking their particular language test anyways. ANd plus, some schools might require an SAT2 language test result, or tht u can be exempt from the foreign language requirment for uni beczu of the score, then chinese speakers have more reasons to take it. They are learning chinese and english already, there aint tht many tht will be 3 or more. And since its sth we've been learning for all our years, y are we not supose to show our abilities??</p>
<p>Would you guys recommend me taking SAT II lit and getting a 700 or SAT II Chinese and getting a 750? The percentiles are different.</p>
<p>Take the Lit and score 700.</p>
<p>I believe that if you're a native of the language, take it only if it would not require any extensive study. Otherwise you can prepare for another SAT II that might may "look" better.</p>
<p>I believe SAT Subject tests are tests to measure our knowledge in certain subjects. Whether it is Korean, Chinese, Japanese, or Literature I don't see why it matters. Giving less weight to those who take native language tests is simply unfair. </p>
<p>However, I do agree, the materials should change in difficulty in order to have reasonable scales.</p>
<p>Why would you guys say it's unfair??? it's the only thing fair for native Chinese speakers!! Do you guys know how much time you have to spend on learning English and score well on SATI for a native Chinese speaker who's in ESL classes?? No, it's absolutely fair and is probably the only fair thing in the whole admission process for native Chinese speakers.</p>
<p>OK then if it's unfair do you think there should be two different SATIs for native English speakers and non-native English speakers? Well personally I do advocate that. Don't tell me there's this thing called TOFEL because if you don't score well on SAT I you still can't get into top colleges. There's no pitty for ESLers.</p>
<p>lol...Cawaii Girl - are you jap?</p>
<p>Back to the problem - it's not possible to have a 2nd language SAT test...since SAT tests your ability to do well in college....(most likely)</p>
<p>PLEASE DO NOT judge one's advantages...not before you consider his/her disadvantages...</p>
<p>yeah... giving less weight to Chinese people is really unfair, since I moved here when I was 4, and the first language I learned to read and write was English. I've had to go to a Chinese class on Sundays to learn how to read and write Chinese, and I've had to study pretty hard to learn it all(all that I know, anyways).</p>
<p>On another note, does anyone know if I can take the Chinese SAT with all my other subject tests, and then later decide whether or not I want to send that score to colleges? Or do all your SAT II scores get sent all in a bundle?</p>