<p>I know we can easily found the average SAT scores for each school all throughout the web. My question, though, is more focused on international students.
I wanna kno if there is a way I can figure out the average SAT scores for admitted international schools at America's top universities, and mores specifically the Ivies... any thoughts?</p>
<p>anybody? plz guys, this would be extremely helpful for all the international applicants!</p>
<p>I don’t think such data is available, not that I know of.</p>
<p>It is if you’re a highschool counselor part of a networking group called Naviance (and you share data with other counselors).. But sorry I’m just a student =</p>
<p>nice question brunohfm, i’d be really interested in that…
just so i can have an idea of what’s the minimum i need to get,</p>
<p>Well, you could ask all the intl students at every university by emailing them…ok, I’ll shut up. 
But I’ve never seen that statistics before! I’m not sure its readily available. But why do you want to know just the intl students? Doesn’t the average SAT score include all students in that years class? In which case, that average also includes intl students..</p>
<p>well ive heard that often schools do not take into account intl student scores when they do their averages, so the latter wont be lower, since average sat scores are something that count on the process of rankin schools… but anyways, it is mostyl because a lot of ppl say that intl students need to have much higher scores than regular american students to get admitted, so i was wondering if such data would b available so we could all sort of figure out where our scores could lead us</p>
<p>Well, IMO it depends more on your int’l schools reputation. Cause I know some of my friends in the same city as me in China that had a 3.8 UW gpa and around 1900 on her SAT (she also took the IB diploma) and only got in Purdue.. while those kind of stats could put you in a position for UC Berkeley in my school..</p>
<p>so dude mj23kg21 where are you in China, and in which school. i’m also in china, beijing to be more precise</p>
<p>so what do you guys think is the threshold for the ivies? like above what do you think internationals become competitive in the application pool?</p>
<p>2250+ would encourage them to look at your application ie its the foot in the door - wont open it completely, but will give u a chance.</p>
<p>but isnt it that from 2100 above ur pretty much already a competitive candidate, since the latter represents a score that puts you in the top 10% in the national level?</p>
<p>well MIT considers 2250 to be just as good as 2400…hence by gettin a 2250 ur pretty much sweet in terms of SATs.</p>
<p>But SATs dont matter much at all.. i mean i got 1980 the first time i did them, but eventually got 2220. I know ppl who made harvard, MIT and stanford with scores below 2100…</p>
<p>But seriously, if u get 2250+, then SATs wont keep you out. 2200+ is good too.</p>
<p>yeah, i understand that… but i really wish we could have the data i was talking ab available… cuz what ive heard is that often to international studnets, the admissions officers are sort of lenient in the verbal/writing sections (as longs as you score above 600) and would focus on your toefl to asses ur english skill, but at the same time they would expect a very high score in the math section, sumthing above 760, or top 1-3%… would that make sense, what do u guys think?</p>
<p>well Toefl only comes into play if your from a country that doesnt speak english at a high level. I m from australia, so i couldnt really use Toefl.</p>
<p>yo! my question might be a li’l different from the rest of the SAT-based questions here… but yeah, it’s about the SAT! wanted to know when’s the last SAT i can take for putting it in the coming session’s i.e. 2009’s apps? is it the december or the january test? am rather concerned… would really appreciate some quick replies! yup! thanks a ton in advance! :)</p>
<p>PS: Sid! nice to see you around AGAIN! LOL! you seem to have posted on EVERY thread i check out! 
keep the great advice coming!</p>
<p>I have a question too. How are we supposed, as international applicants, to score 2200+ on the SAT, especially if we are not from an English-speaking country and if we have not been in an American or British-patterned curriculum ?</p>
<p>@ 100% Tuna, Most schools recommend that December be the last date for the SATs, but SOME do allow January scores if a valid reason is given</p>
<p>@mourad23, you are applying to top tier institutions…the competition is fierce and sometimes unfair (in terms of the opportunities available etc), but to prove urself worthy, u have to do it. Practice really helps. Some people are good at SATs, others are not.
People from Singapore and Taiwan are able to score 2300+ scores, so it 2200 is definitely possible. Just practice, practice, practice</p>
<p>Do not over-emphasise the SATs, instead spend time on ensuring you have good essays and all the forms for school are completed in time and not in a hurry. Do not be an idiot and try to raise ur score from 2200 to 2300…internationals with <2000 got in to both schools</p>
<p>I cannot speak for every school, and in particular some of the state university systems are quite SAT driven, but at my school, MIT, I do know how little this question matters.</p>
<p>Lets be quite clear, the top schools get several times the number of applicants that they can possibly admit (the international admit rate for MIT for example hovers at around 4%). So if you are trying to be one of those one in 27, you have to have something special and SAT’s are just not it.</p>
<p>The first question any admissions committee has to answer is “Is this person going to be academically capable of doing the work?” That is, if the HS transcript is full of D’s or the SAT’s average 400 per section, then let’s not waste any time on the candidate. However, if the SAT’s are good enough to demonstrate aptitude, then that is basically good enough.</p>
<p>With this in mind, a 2100 says “I can probably do the work”. A 2200 says the same thing. A 2300 says the same thing, and indeed the difference between a 2200 and a 2300 is quite small and is probably down to missing 1 or 2 questions over several hours which in turn is as much down to luck as anything else.</p>
<p>This isn’t to say you cannot shine academically. Indeed, those academic “stars”, IMO or Siemens winners, for example, can basically write their own ticket to wherever they want to go. But SATs are just not the way to shine and to separate yourself from the crowd.</p>
<p>I would say that once you got somewhere around 2200 as an international student, concentrate on something else in your application (essays, teacher recommendations, etc…)</p>