<p>studio choices:</p>
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<li>CAP 21</li>
<li>Meisner Extension</li>
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<p>Edmondsg: no i didn't. i heard if you did, your admissions chances increase exponentially. they practically say it on their website: "many of our incoming freshman were cherubs!" wink wink. i don't know what to do if i get into northwestern, syracuse, and nyu. ill need to call someone who really knows about this stuff... i never expected a choice.</p>
<p>Hello from Tisch!</p>
<p>To all of you who have received or will receive invitations to Tischs Saturday at the Square, congratulations! It is a sign of great news to come soon! I am a Tisch Arts Representative, and our purpose is to serve as student reps at prospective, admitted, and current student functions such as the Tisch Open House, artistic evaluations, Parent/Family Day, and Saturday at the Square. We would just like to share our excitement with you now that responses from all your schools will be coming soon. The best part is that from here on out, we dont get to choose you, you get to choose us!</p>
<p>That is why I, among several others Arts Reps will be at the event. Our job will be to explain, show, answer, and convince you that NYU/Tisch is the right [or maybe not right] school for you. Youll be able to hear it from a wide variety of people, from the Tisch administration, from the faculty, and from us: the students. Questions regarding studio assignments for drama majors [CAP21 vs. ETW vs. Strasberg ], housing [traditional vs. apartment-style], student life [auditions, career assistance, clubs], the NYU/NYC environment [security, exploring the city], and our famed study abroad program [ranked #1 for the second year in a row!] will be answered, and you will get to meet the people who will be helping or working with you on your education.</p>
<p>While attendance of this event has no impact on your acceptance, this is a very fortunate opportunity to get to know NYU/Tisch from the inside out. I personally highly recommend this event, and I know you will have a great time learning so much about this school! Most any question regarding Saturday at the Square or Tisch School of the Arts are welcomed. Once again, congratulations and good luck with your decisions! We hope NYU/Tisch is your choice for your future!</p>
<p>My daughter will be away for the Saturday at the Square event. Coincidentally, I will be in the city that day. Does it make any sense for me to go without her? My impression is that it does not.</p>
<p>Thanks so much for this posting. For those who can't make that Sat in the Square I hope you'll check this site from time to time for questions about some of those issues that will be discussed there-- choosing studios, making dorm decisions etc. </p>
<p>Two questions come to mind right away: is it always possible to move from one studio to another after 2 years? For instance, if you begin with Meisner, are you guaranteed the ability to move to Cap 21 later? </p>
<p>Second-- and I know this is a tougher one-- are current students (and parents of current students) feeling that NYU is really worth all the extra expense, relative to more affordable programs, or schools that offer more generous scholarships? I know it's hard to balance those choices. In some cases NYU costs two or three times as much as other fine BFA and BA programs. It's also immense even if the individual classes are small. So what makes NYU so special or so much better than other schools? What do you really gain? What makes the NYU experience unique? Is it opportunities down the road, the intensity of the program, connections, classes, what?</p>
<p>"is it always possible to move from one studio to another after 2 years? For instance, if you begin with Meisner, are you guaranteed the ability to move to Cap 21 later?"</p>
<p>The answer to this is definitely NO. Not only is it no guaranteed, there may not even be an opportunity. I recall that when we were at the audition someone asked this and the answer was "it depends on how many students want to leave CAP. Last year, none did." [implying there were no openings because of that]</p>
<p>At least, that is what I recall.</p>
<p>Tisch Rep: If a student was at NYU-Tisch over the summer as part of the high school program and received six credits for the course, how are those applied once the student matriculates as an undergraduate? Thanks.</p>
<p>Tisch Rep! I've been asking this over and over, but no one seems to have an answer... can you tell me anything you know about the Meisner Extension? Number of students, acceptance rate, alumni? Thanks!!!</p>
<p>any '05 cherubs going to be at the sat. in the square? I'd love to catch up with you guys...</p>
<p>You know there's one here already. :-)</p>
<p>Here are responses to your questions:</p>
<p>Parents Attend S@S? [dramamom]
The event is primarily geared towards students; there really isn't much for the parents at all aside from the NYU-wide campus tours. The answer is pretty much that it is of no use for you to go in place of your daughter [but kind of you to offer!].
It goes without saying I'm sure for all parents/guardians on this board that your support for your child's decision in regards to their college choice is obviously based upon his or her knowledge of the school and the programs, assistance, and general education it can offer. This is why S@S should be encouraged because it gives your child access to so much more information regarding NYU/Tisch and will most certainly help your child and you come to a solid decision. No one wants to go to a school they know nothing about!</p>
<p>Studio Placement & Requests. [sanity, lotte]
What makes NYU drama stand out so much from other schools is the infrastructure of the program. When admitted, students are placed into a studio as determined by their artistic evaluation and interview. They will take this studio for the first 2 of the 4 years. Then after 2 years, they have the option of remaining in the primary studio, moving to a different studio, or enrolling in an advanced studio. [For info on studios: <a href="http://drama.tisch.nyu.edu/page/studios.html%5D%5B/url">http://drama.tisch.nyu.edu/page/studios.html][/url</a>]
What chrism has said I will clarify upon. chrism is correct in that there is never any guarantee for the ability to change studios. Many advanced studios require an audition to enter because of the high demand for only so many spots, which while seemingly discouraging, keeps class sizes small. chrism also gave an example, and to broaden the perspective, every year the class is very different. For the class of 2009, 80 students were admitted to CAP21 with the expectation that around 64 would accept. All 80 accepted the program over other theatre training programs. To use theoretical numbers, by fall of 2007 maybe 70 will choose to continue with CAP21 into their third- and fourth-year training so there will be 10 spots open.
For lotte, I know you wanted more information on Meisner Extension. Here it is: <a href="http://drama.tisch.nyu.edu/object/DR_Meisner.html%5B/url%5D">http://drama.tisch.nyu.edu/object/DR_Meisner.html</a>. Once again as usual, there are no exact statistics on any studio [CAP21 being the exception this year because all 80 accepted], but traditionally there are around 15-20 per Meisner class a year. It is the smallest studio, but the demand for this studio is generally not as high on first or second choices as is say CAP21 or ETW. For more information on the details, please refer to the page and contact head of studio Vicki Hart. She will be able to answer all questions regarding Meisner Extension.</p>
<p>Transfer of NYU/Tisch High School Program Credits [clover]
How your six credits apply to your work towards the BFA degree is a very good question. I do not have an answer for you, but my speculation would be that the credits are either applied to your studio training [at least 32 credits required to graduate = 3 years of studio minimum] or they go towards your general education credits. For a solid answer, if you're coming to S@S you will be able to ask one of the Tisch academic advisors or if not shoot them an e-mail and they will be able to respond. Hope that helps.</p>
<p>Current students' opinions of NYU/Tisch [sanity]
I believe that question was also on the NYU application, and it usually is the hardest one for prospective students to answer because how would you know if you haven't experienced it, right? Your concerns, while valid, cannot be summarized in a short message. S@S or the Tisch Mentor chats will definitely divulge much more about NYU/Tisch than I can in a couple minutes. Is NYU/Tisch worth all the expense is one question I know many parents and students ask, and the best response I can give is that it's all in how motivated the student is to take advantage of opportunities offered.
NYU/Tisch is incredible in that every single demand a student could want can be fulfilled by this school. Because it is a large private university in the heart of New York City, we have the ability to access/offer resources easier than many other institutions. But since NYU/Tisch is a large school, however, you as the student have to be pro-active, because here no one will serve you what you want, you need to go get it yourself [as real life is like]. This benefits you in several ways. Number one, it helps the student mature smarter and faster from a child/teenager, who depends on others to give what he or she wants/needs, to an adult, who will need to take care of him or herself. Number two, it doesnt force the student to swim through a bunch of preset programs and ideas; because you are the one who decides what you want and what you dont, you can individualize your education towards your own goals and plans.
Its why Tisch drama, for example, never produces shows with a set cast list and the same group of 10 actors who always get cast in parts. When you get out into the real world, no one is going to do that. The industry is tough, and what Tisch does exceptionally well is create students who are strong individuals, who know and can make decisions in their life and take care and maintain themselves in a smart and healthy way as working artists.</p>
<p>Hope this answered all your questions!
- Tisch Arts Rep</p>
<p>question, are those who are selected for Saturday at the Square chosen through the ugrad admissions office or the tisch office. In an essence, are they chosen for their creativity and the success of their portfolio or moreso academic success?</p>
<p>It's really great that a current student from Tisch has come on to answer questiosns. Thank you for taking the time. </p>
<p>I'm a parent who attended Saturday in the Square last year and want to just comment and clarify one thing about that event. I agree with this student that I can't see a parent attending without their student. However, I don't agree that there are just campus tours for the parents on that day. The day began with a big event in the Skirball Center for all the students and their parents who were invited for Tisch (not just drama). There were many who presented, including the Dean of Tisch, Mary Campbell and the Director of Recruitment and Student Affairs, Drew Uriarte. There was also a wonderful dance performance by current Tisch students in the dance program. Then the students went to student sessions for whichever department they were admitted to, and thus Drama students attended one for just Drama. There were student reps at that from the various studios. Concurrently, there was a parent session that discussed student life, academic life, financial aid, and housing including a Q and A. I kinda wish I was in the student session, LOL, because that one dealt with the Drama Dept. and this one was not really about Tisch but more to do with your kid going off to college type stuff and I was craving any stuff about the studios or program at that point. We already knew a bunch about NYU and so forth. </p>
<p>Then there was a reception for both parents and students at Tisch and it was an opportunity to mingle with current students and Tisch reps (adults). This was very good as our D and we were able to have conversations with kids in CAP and other studios, and Tisch personnel. It was helpful. There were later sessions that we did not attend but they were on study abroad and financial aid. At that point, we went with our D to a luncheon for Tisch Scholars that was meant for parents and students and we learned from those who ran that, including deans and current Scholars all about the program. </p>
<p>So, as a parent, there were things for us the entire time, and it was NOT a tour. The only time we split from our D was the one session for just students that had a parent session concurrently. We also went to the NYU Bookstore to get some logo items. Also Tisch was selling Tisch logo items. With both my kids, once they decided to get a logo item or car decal, I knew they were set on the school as we held off on any prior visits to buy anything at colleges.</p>
<p>For the senior who was asking if those selected to attend S in the Square were selected by academic or artistic talent...I don't work for NYU and do not know the exact answer but I would assume that both were part of the selection because Tisch admits students based equally on academic and artistic review. So, when determining "oustanding candidates" for this event, I would think it was a certain percentage off the pile of those who were going to be accepted. They got on the acceptance pile in the first place via both academics and talent.</p>
<p>Sanity, you asked is NYU worth the extra expense and also what makes it better than other schools. </p>
<p>First, I disagree that NYU costs two or three times more than other schools. NYU is surely very very expensive. My other D's college costs almost as much. Several of the programs/colleges my NYU kid looked at cost a lot and definitely NOT one half or one third of NYU but simply cost less. Some cost almost as much. You mention about scholarships being less. In my own child's case, she got very nice scholarships from 7 schools (this includes a waitlist at CMU that gave the money package as well), and it so happens that the scholarship she got at NYU was the largest of the seven she received. That may not be each person's case but was ours. </p>
<p>Is it worth the money? It depends on one's values. For me, what is worth it is that my D is going to a college she wanted to attend and that fit her college preferences. I never thought about if X or Y college was worth spending money on more than another. I valued sending my kids to college and to ones of their choosing. </p>
<p>What makes it better? Here's the thing...I do NOT think NYU is better or best than other programs. I did not care where my child chose and did not rank her schools. She had favorites. I'm happy she got into one of her favorites and now that she attends, that she is extremely happy with her choice. I don't believe it is better than other programs. I just know it is great for her and that is what matters. She loves every single aspect of the program and school and I have never heard one compaint about it yet. To the contrary, she oozes enthusiasm for the experiences she is having. I think it will be hard to pull her away when the school year ends. So, that is worth it to me. </p>
<p>Each student should have preferences/criteria that they want in a program and investigate each college and its program to see how it fits their interests and desires. Then of course, one can only pick from their acceptances. Of my D's acceptances, this school was the best fit.</p>
<p>NYU is almost twice the cost of many, many of the schools discussed on this forum. Not everyone has the luxury of choosing the best fit. We all "value sending our kids to college and to ones of their choosing." That's certainly not the issue. The issue is whether it's financially feasible. For many, I'd even say, most, that's the case when total cost is so much. There are certainly other schools which near, or possibly, exceed that cost. But, there are not many and most do not even approach that. If families can and desire to send their kids to NYU, that's wonderful. But, there's just no question about how expensive it is in the real world.</p>
<p>razorback, it appears that you've studied this cost issue in depth if you're able to make statements like you did in post #74 about NYU being "almost twice the cost of many, many of the schools discussed on this forum" and "most do not even approach that". I'd appreciate if you could post which schools you're referring to, with the costs of each. I'm genuinely curious, not only as a parent of an NYU student who is paying these high costs, but also as a parent who has assisted many other kids in this process, and I have to say that I haven't seen the huge difference in costs that you're claiming. Perhaps you could enlighten me so that I'm better informed, as well as others here.</p>
<p>I do not know the tuition at colleges that my kids did not apply to. For the ones they did, NYU was not twice or three times as much. As far as affordibility, we have no money saved for college and my children are on hefty financial aid including scholarships and loans. Some would not opt to take on such expenses and loans but we have chosen to do that but that is not for everyone. For us, I was saying it was personally worth it but it didn't mean that I could AFFORD it. Far from it. Not everyone is willing to take on that debt. I have read many accounts on CC of those whose parents are not willing to do so. As well, schools do offer financial aid to those who need it and they determine the need. After that, it is up to each family to decide what they can afford to do, are willing to sacrifice or take on debt for, and so forth. </p>
<p>I know that everyone here values sending their kids to colleges of their choice. The cost MUST be taken into account for all parents unless they are rich and we surely are NOT. </p>
<p>As to what is financially feasible, families need to have this discussion before applying to colleges. Some may wish to just apply to more affordable schools in the first place. No sense applying to colleges that one can't then attend. Or a family can let the child know that the choice of college will be determined by which gives the best financial aid package. The parents have to set the boundaries. Many parents will use cost to determine which school their child may attend. This is fair and understandable. </p>
<p>As to if it is worth it.....is a personal choice. I have a child who had a free ride at a college that she did not want to attend and that did not fit her needs. I could have made her go and it really would have made our lives so much easier. But we did not opt to do that, nor to make her go where she received merit aid. But I understand those who would have their child take those options over the schools that were better fits. This is an issue for most families. </p>
<p>A student asked if the school was worth the money. I imagine that attending NYU is one of her options and the question was framed as to whether to take the less expensive option over the more expensive one or vice versa as to which school was worth the money or better or if the more expensive school was better or more worth it. I assumed her parents gave her the option of attending either but were weighing if the more expensive one was worth the extra expense as that is how she framed the question. If she can't afford the more expensive one, that is a moot point. If her parents allowed EITHER school, then I don't see it mattering if one school was "worth" more than the other, except for fit. If they don't either want to or can't spend more for that school, then it is a moot point all together.</p>
<p>Razorback, when I was talking "best fit", it was in response to this student asking what makes NYU "better" and I don't see it as better but just best for my child. I wasn't discussing money in that section. She wanted to know if this school was worth it, not whether she could afford it.</p>
<p>I don't have time to look up all the colleges' costs but I know, for example, when my D applied to CMU it cost approx. $40,600. Emerson was about $35,000, Syracuse was about $41,500. NYU was about $48,000 at the time. So, it cost more but not 2-3 times as much. My D's costs at Brown (an example of a BA program for theater) are $43,500.</p>
<p>These are approximations. It is also important when comparing figures to delineate which are just tuition/room/board and which totals include books, personal expenses and transportation. I don't have the time right now to go and figure out which totals given were of which nature but they very well may differ. I think NYU"s total included ALL expenses and some of the other totals may not have but I'd have to check carefully on each and can't right now.</p>
<p>The vast majority of other private universities cost between $25K-$35K, with most around $27K. Just a (very) few examples in this range: Elon, Point Park, OCU, Evansville, Otterbein, Webster. </p>
<p>And it's great that many folks can afford to send their kids to the higher priced universities like NYU, CMU etc. (or are willing to take on 6 figure debt); that's a very personal decision. </p>
<p>In the case of NYU, I've never heard of their top scholarships being over $20-25K (and those are pretty rare), so you're still left with a big chunk of change to pay out of pocket. Which is more than okay, if you're able to do that!</p>
<p>I want to make it clear that I AM NOT "dissing" NYU; on the contrary I think it's a GREAT school and was a top choice of my daughter's (a lot of her friends attend) until she realized the financial implications and decided not to apply.</p>
<p>Those figures in my previous post do not include, books, transportation and personal expenses. I never bother to look at those when I compare school costs. I only look at tuition & fees, room & board. The $43,000 for NYU that I had based my very early comparisons on (about 1 1/2 years ago, I think) , was $33K tuition and approx $10K room & board.</p>