Schools in Florida???

<p>For the last 20 years, UCF's supporters have been saying that their school will "catch up" to FSU. To this day, they're still waiting for that to happen. The school just climbed out of the 4th tier and is trying to compete, academically, with schools like USF. Catching up to FSU should be the least of UCF's worries. Don' get me wrong, UCF is fine institution with some decent programs. But they should focus their efforts in other things besides catching up to FSU.</p>

<p>BTW, the size of a university’s student body has nothing to do with the quality of education it offers. FYI, Miami Dade College is the largest institution of higher learning in the US.</p>

<p>^^ I'm sure that UCF does, indeed, have their efforts focused on other things. It's mainly just the supporters of UCF (alumni, students, parents, etc) that want it to catch up to FSU so badly. While I'm sure the administrators would love for that to happen, they (unlike many on here) realize that they have a long way to go.</p>

<p>UCF isn't as bad as some of you make it out to be. Sure, they may not be as academic as UF, but they can provide a great education if the student is smart and actually tries to do well..</p>

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<p>This is true for all colleges.</p>

<p>when one says 'catching up to FSU', thats not saying the school is focusing its efforts on catching up to the school literrally</p>

<p>personally, i could care less about that. it was just the comment bout 'ucf is the 2nd worse school in fla' which i found insane</p>

<p>i made my choice between said schools and happy about it</p>

<p>UF is I think the best college out of those.</p>

<p>UM is okay, if you're okay with crazy noise out of every end, or so my friend says.</p>

<p>FSU is a HUGE party school.</p>

<p>UCF not so much. From what I've heard the students at UCF are more concerned about academics...</p>

<p>I've been to the USF campus many times ever since I was 9. The campus itself disgusts me, I'm not so sure about the academics, I went to a private rental area for my Chinese classes. Dorms have parties almost every weekend.</p>

<p>U of T is the only private school out of them. Harder to get into, not so many parties.</p>

<p>Hope this helps some!</p>

<p>Whaaat? I don't know why FSU is always associated with being a "HUGE" party school... there are a ton of really studious kids there. It's probably more of a party school than USF and UT, but that's not saying much. It's a good school. And, I've never met anyone at UCF that is "more concerned about academics." Sure, the kids care about their grades, but definitely not more than the kids at FSU. UM has crazy noise? I don't know about that ... nothing has ever bothered me... and since when is it not private?</p>

<p>The kid I know at UCF is a tool who brags about how often/much he drinks and all the drugs he does.</p>

<p>You will find all types at all these schools. One of my daughter's goes to UF, it does seem like a huge party scene on campus but that is because mostly Freshman live on campus. Freshman who are tasting freedom for the first time, but as I said, all types go there. I have a daughter at UCF right now and the place is very quiet this summer. Kids don't party on campus, they go out to clubs. There are kids that are into partying and kids who are into academics at all of the mentioned Florida schools, including UCF.</p>

<p>Yeah, you'll see those kind of kids at harvard, many geeks in high school try to look cool in college because they finally have some freedom.</p>

<p>"as for UCF... I don't want to be mean, but let's just say the people who go to UCF are the people you never ever want to see again from high school."</p>

<p>Could not agree more, this is exactly how I feel! UCF is for the non-thinkers, to be honest.</p>

<p>UF's rankings:</p>

<p>No. 1: Party Schools</p>

<p>No. 1: Students Never Study </p>

<p>No. 2: Jock Schools </p>

<p>No. 7: Lots of Beer</p>

<p>No. 10: Dorms Like Dungeons</p>

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UF is I think the best college out of those.</p>

<p>UM is okay, if you're okay with crazy noise out of every end, or so my friend says.</p>

<p>FSU is a HUGE party school.</p>

<p>UCF not so much. From what I've heard the students at UCF are more concerned about academics...</p>

<p>I've been to the USF campus many times ever since I was 9. The campus itself disgusts me, I'm not so sure about the academics, I went to a private rental area for my Chinese classes. Dorms have parties almost every weekend.</p>

<p>U of T is the only private school out of them. Harder to get into, not so many parties.</p>

<p>Hope this helps some!

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No...... this doesn't help at all. Almost everything you said in that reply is wrong. As the above poster said, UF was just ranked the #1 party school IN THE COUNTRY. FSU was ranked #10, so I'm not sure where you got that information. I don't even know what you are talking about with "noise coming out of every end", what does that mean? UM is a decent school, but is insanely expensive when you could get a comparable education at a Florida flagship school for $25,000 less. I can tell you first hand that many students at UCF aren't concerned with academics. If your claim is true, why are the admissions statistics higher at FSU than UCF? I'm not really sure how you can be "disgusted" with a college campus. I've been to USF a few times, and like the campus just fine. Of course dorms have parties every weekend, it's COLLEGE!!! You can choose to go to the parties, or you can choose not to. I'm sure in a school as big as USF there will be at least 1 party on the friggen weekend. I can also tell you that University of Tampa is not that hard to get into.. a lot easier than UF or FSU anyway. They definitely have their fair share of parties too. Here are their admissions stats:</p>

<p>SAT Critical Reading: 490 - 570 87%
SAT Math: 490 - 580 87%
SAT Writing: 490 - 570 87%
ACT Composite: 21 - 25 39%</p>

<p>You want to talk about a school that's easy to get into? Try Bethune-Cookman. Look at their stats:</p>

<p>SAT Critical Reading: 360 - 460 82%
SAT Math: 360 - 460 82%
SAT Writing: - -
ACT Composite: 14 - 18 18%</p>

<p>My rankings (descriptions will follow)</p>

<ol>
<li>New College of Florida</li>
<li>UF and UM in a tie</li>
<li>UCF</li>
<li>FSU</li>
<li>USF</li>
<li>FAU</li>
<li>NSU (Nova Southeastern U.)</li>
<li>FGCU</li>
<li>FIU</li>
</ol>

<p>Now I actually was accepted to New College, but turned it down for the UCF Honors College instead. I didn't factor in the existence of honors colleges when making these rankings.</p>

<p>Anyway......</p>

<p>New College- Extremely liberal. Probably more liberal than San Francisco. On one of my visits there, I actually saw a student with a brochure on "how to use Marijuana responsibly." I have no clue where he got it. It's in a beautiful location right on Sarasota Bay. They also have a "silent reputation" in a sense. Though they don't get much word of mouth, in certain circles they are extremely well regarded. They also pay extra special attention to their applicants and students. I even got a handwritten letter with an origami crane in the mail from a member of the admissions committee congratulating me on my acceptance.</p>

<p>UF- Throw all the hype you've heard before out the window about UF. It's an excellent school, but it's not the "Harvard of the South" you keep hearing about. I regularly hear of students complain of a lack of compassion of the school's administration for its own students, shown in the lack of new construction or renovations, low availability of advisers and professors, and large class sizes. In other words, they're very focused on increasing their rankings and public image first, and current students appear to come second.</p>

<p>UM- An excellent school.....if you can afford it. Coral Gables isn't exactly the ideal college town. Because the city of Coral Gables defines any building that houses more than five women as a brothel (no joke) UM doesn't have any sororities, but has a few fraternities. Also, there aren't many off campus hangouts or places to go off campus. Coral Gables is full of luxury car dealerships, luxury homes, a gas station or fast food chain here and there, two malls, and really nothing else. If you go here, go for the education, which is top notch.</p>

<p>UCF- Actually, UCF is statistically ahead of FSU in terms of the quality of its admitted students. The area around UCF is actually in unincorporated Orange County, and is socially separated from the rest of Orlando. The UCF area is just as much of a college town as Gainesville or Tallahassee, being full of small businesses, fast food restaurants, student apartment complexes, and is close by the turnpike. A local toll state road quickly takes you to the theme parks and other parts of Orlando. UCF, while not a flagship like FSU, is up and coming academically, is building a medical school, and has excellent student resources. UCF has a reputation for being the school that "U Can't Finish" but with the scheduling and advising resources I've seen there so far I can't see how that's possible without not caring about your classes. Excellent dorms and new football stadium are pluses. The UCF honors college is also gaining some word of mouth recognition because of its admissions statistical similarity to UF. (UCF Honors College this year on average admitted students with a 4.1 GPA and 1370 SAT)</p>

<p>FSU- Another flagship state school which, I believe, has an under recognized honors medical program. One of my peers was accepted into it, and it sounds great. However, there is essentially a struggle within Tallahassee as to how it's been developed. It's almost like the "college town" aspect of Tallahassee is drowned away by the fact that it's the state capital. There isn't really that much to do off campus or in the immediate area.</p>

<p>USF- I haven't really heard much about USF, so it's hard for me to give an opinion on it. Sorry.</p>

<p>FAU- It's still trying to find its image, but the fact that it hosted one of the Republican Primary debates (with very heavy FAU logo use EVERYWHERE) has helped it get on the right path to transforming its identity from that of a commuter school to a residential school, kind of like what UCF has been able to do with its image in the past decade. Boca Raton is nowhere near a traditional college town, but there is still plenty to do in the area, especially Boomers. Still, the abundance of retired people can't be escaped. If you go to the FAU Honors College, you also get the benefit of the Scripps Research Institute being on campus, which really adds to their science curriculum. Right now, their new building (also on campus) is under construction, but once it's finished, FAU will inherit their old laboratories.</p>

<p>NSU- Now for one that hasn't been discussed much here. NSU is a private university in Davie, right outside of Ft. Lauderdale. While its further behind on its image finding mission than FAU, it has a good academic reputation. Also, their university library is one of the MOST impressive I have ever seen, and I believe it beats many of the universities above it on this list in that respect. Also, the Miami Dolphins training camp is on campus, so you can watch them after class if you want to find out why they keep losing so much. (There is a public viewing area, and it's FREE!!!) NSU actually has a much higher reputation for it's graduate school, and if this was a graduate school list, it would probably be somewhere near the top, if not at it!</p>

<p>FGCU- This is a pretty unselective school, but is, in a sense, exponentially getting harder to get into because of its location, and the fact people are rapidly finding out it's another FIU in terms of selectivity, but has a MUCH BETTER campus and quality of student life. The dorms are excellent and have full kitchens with a fridge, stove and oven. These dorms are STANDARD. Dorms are also literally on the Gulf of Mexico, so you can walk right out of it and onto the sand and swim in the ocean. There is also a pool if you hate salt water. FGCU has a fairly new basketball stadium, so perhaps it will help grow its athletic programs. </p>

<p>FIU- Everyone applying to colleges should know that this is the school to avoid unless you have a family related reason for needing to be in South Florida. The school has a heavily Hispanic student population, which is usually a good thing, but its so heavy that it pretty much makes the campus undiverse. There are two types of diversity:</p>

<ol>
<li><p>The type found at UM where there are many students of Hispanic descent, speak Spanish often, but also know their English. Also, there is a healthy dose of African-Americans, Jews, and other minorities. If I was to make a food out of UM's diversity, it would pretty much be like the everything bagel.</p></li>
<li><p>The type found at FIU where the Hispanics outnumber all other races, they barely speak English, and little other signs of other minorities can be found. If I was to make an FIU soup, the Hispanics would be the liquid, the whites would be the sprinkled Parmesan cheese, and the African-Americans would be the light dash of pepper.</p></li>
</ol>

<p>I have regularly heard that Spanish is spoken heavily at FIU as well, including in classrooms, and that can detract some students. To be fair though, FIU loses a lot of good students to the University of Miami, which is extremely close by, so what happens then is that all the wealthier students attend Miami or another school, either elsewhere in the state or OOS, and the poorer population (mostly hispanic) is forced to commute from home to attend FIU. FIU is a school that went on the identity search but lost its way in the woods because of terrible directions given by the city of Miami's corrupt government, and won't be coming out of it for a good part of this century.</p>

<p>^^^Bro, im glad you go to UCF, but its def. behind FSU even if the SAt scores/GPAs are higher...You still have to consider research done, # of grads who pursued careers in their field and were accepted....Theres so many more aspects... Im gonna put down what I think...</p>

<p>UF=UM
FSU
USF=UCF
UNF
FAU</p>

<p>dvm258,
I'm a big fan of UCF and it's actually my 2nd choice behind UM, but your info is completely wrong. If don't know where you got your info from, but FSU and UF are still way ahead of UCF in terms of academics and student stats. I hate to say it, but it's not even close. Please post a link of your sources since I'm very interested in UCF. I would love for it to be true.</p>

<p>You're right about the area around the school. It's a really cool area with lots of stuff to do. It's really up an coming. I will maybe be attending UCF as my backup, but only because I don't really like Gainesville and Tallahassee is way too far for me to come home on the weekends. UCF is the next logical choice. It's still better than USF.</p>

<p>FSU has recently updated their admissions statistics for the class of 2008, but UCF has not done so yet. Here are the latest FSU statistics:</p>

<p>From FSU's website-- About</a> FSU's Students</p>

<p>The middle 50% of the Fall 2008 accepted freshman class is: 3.7-4.2 GPA; 1190-1330 SAT (Critical Reading plus Math); 26-29 ACT.</p>

<p>The 2007 statistics from UCF were significantly lower than these, but statistically equal to FSU's in 2007. We'll have to wait and see what UCF's new statistics are to get a recent comparison. However, I posted once on CC what FSU's 2007 stats were before they updated the site. Here they are:</p>

<p>Avg. GPA- 3.7
Avg. SAT- 1200
Avg. ACT- 26
Freshman Applications- 19,788
Admits- 10,634
Approx. Students Admitted- 53%</p>

<p>Here are UCF's 2007 stats (which can still be found at Freshmen</a> Profile):</p>

<p>Avg. GPA- 3.72
Avg. SAT- 1217
Avg. ACT- 26.1
Freshman Applications- 19,000 (Obviously, they rounded)
Admits- 9,000
Approx. Students Admitted- 47%</p>

<p>DVM's stats are for FALL admits only...
More correct information on UCF can be found on their common data set (though it is from 2007 and this year may have major changes):</p>

<p>UCF</a> - Common Data Set 2007-08</p>

<p>But basically the stats are:
Total first-time, first-year (freshman) men and women applied 26,312 </p>

<p>Total first-time, first-year (freshman) men and women admitted 13,251 </p>

<p>Total (full-time & part-time), first-time, first-year (freshman) men and women enrolled 6,613 </p>

<p>This is roughly a 50% admit rate. </p>

<p>I agree with GatorHubris in the ranking.</p>

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UM- An excellent school.....if you can afford it. Coral Gables isn't exactly the ideal college town. Because the city of Coral Gables defines any building that houses more than five women as a brothel (no joke) UM doesn't have any sororities, but has a few fraternities. Also, there aren't many off campus hangouts or places to go off campus. Coral Gables is full of luxury car dealerships, luxury homes, a gas station or fast food chain here and there, two malls, and really nothing else. If you go here, go for the education, which is top notch.

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<p>You don't go to UM to be in Coral Gables.. you are within a few minutes from Coconut Grove, Brickell and South Beach and if you want some drugs head over to Opa Locka. There is more to do in Miami than any of the other Florida schools put together. But I do agree in the sense that UM is not by any means a college town.. so if that is what you are looking for, choose UF.</p>

<p>DVM, I think you're comparing apples to oranges. UCF's stats only include Fall and FSU's include the whole year. If you compare to Fall to Fall, there is a significant difference between the two schools.</p>