<p>My son is a junior and starting to get interest from D1 colleges for soccer. He has been offered scholarships to two schools already, but not the academic powerhouses he is interested in attending. Academically, he has a 3.8 GPA at a good public school that sends a handful of kids to Ivys each year. One of the Ivy coaches told him he should take the SAT early, so he took the November SAT and got a 2010 (1330 for M & CR). Assuming that a coach wants him, can anyone tell me whether these numbers are good enough? He has plenty of time to take it again if he needs to, but I'm curious as to how high his numbers need to be. I know of a soccer player who was admitted to Penn with a 1220. How much higher do scores need to be for HYP? Anyone have numbers they are willing to share?</p>
<p>A 2010 is decent, but if he can score above a 2100, or a 32 or above on the ACT, then he will be in really good shape. But, I have seen people with lower GPA’s and scores than that, so he is already doing well.</p>
<p>That’s a good start for HYPS and the others. Of course, the stronger the scores are, the better position he will ultimately be in. But with those scores as his base threshold, he is recruitable for them. Above a 30 ACT was wanted too, if ACTs are part of your plan. It is good he took the SATs early too as now a lot of schools will know that he is a viable recruit for them. We did the same thing, also at an ivy’s request, and it was a HUGE help with the whole process in terms of knowing what level of academic program you could reach for in the D1 world. Good luck!</p>
<p>We were told by multiple Ivies that 700 per section was the target threshold.</p>
<p>idk if soccer works like football, but in football those scores are considered the first band (smartest athletes) and are perfect. I know you have to have better stats for track, but I’m not so sure about soccer.</p>
<p>I am in a rush…but Ivies use the Academic Index. It is always good to be above the school’s average academic index to really be assured of a spot. There is an AI calculator here on CC and you can search Academic Index for threads about it.</p>
<p>I read “Playing the Game” and generally understand the AI. Was told that Harvard wants a 210 average for non-football players. My son doesn’t have that, but he shouldn’t be far below. I tried several online AI calculators, but they all want more scores than my son has. The author of “Playing the Game” said that Ivys would substitute a SAT II score for a SAT Reasoning score, e.g. math for math or english/history for verbal. If that is true, then a 720 on SAT II history would sub for low 600s CR score. I’ve not seen that substantiated anywhere else though.</p>
<p>Okay, I tried the index again and made up numbers for SAT II tests not taken. I entered his 720 for history, then put in two 650 scores for two other SAT IIs and got a 206. I tried two 600 scores and got a 203. Two 700s, however, gives him the 210 he needs, so looks like my suspicion that he is pretty close to the required average is accurate. He may try to raise his CR in the fall if HYP coaches are interested, but if not he will probably go with what he has. Still interested in hearing scores from other recruited athletes who were admitted to the Ivys or Stanford.</p>
<p>Some athletes D knows who are currently at Stanford have SAT scores in the 1800’s, with GPA’s in the 3.8 and above range. Plenty of other Stanford athletes have much higher stats, though.</p>
<p>If the 3.8 is unweighted and he is taking challenging classes, and if he is a top recruit for Stanford, he likely will be admitted. Three years ago Stanford admitted a soccer player from a public school with approx. 1200 CR/Math and 3.6 unweighted GPA. I don’t know how many slots the Stanford coach has at that level but my educated guess is that he has more than one or two (no Ivy league AI bands/standard deviations to worry about).</p>
<p>You probalby already know this but he is good to go if he is a top recruit for Cal or UCLA.</p>
<p>He’s not from a soccer hotbed, doesn’t play Academy, and is therefore unlikely to be seen or recruited by UCLA or Cal. Moreover, it doesn’t look from the Cal roster that it takes any out-of-state soccer players. That being said, if either school came calling, he would be seriously interested. </p>
<p>He is a regional, not national, level ODP player who is counting on the pool of players that HYPs and Stanford can recruit being smaller than the UCLAs, UNCs, and Akrons of the world. Not saying those schools wouldn’t look at him if given the opportunity, but they are unlikely to see him and presumably they have a much larger pool from which to choose since their recruits are not subject to the same academic threshholds. On the flip side, my son would never get into an HYP or Stanford on his academics alone. He’s hoping soccer gets him in to a great school.</p>
<p>I keep wanting to shout out to the posters on the SAT board who are taking their SATs for the third and fourth time in order to try and get their 2250s up 100 points that they would be better off spending the time developing a notable talent beyond the classroom. My kid needs to make the AI cut for the Ivy league, but ultimately will be better served working on his footskills, or his physics for that matter, than improving his standardized test taking ability. It seems to me that being good at taking standardized tests is an unmarketable talent that serves no purpose other than to to get one in the door to an institution of higher learning.</p>
<p>The best we can do is parrot back some approximate answers. We were told over a 2000 would be needed. You should ask a coach. He may tell you to go straight ahead with the subject tests. I dont know if they do academic prereads for a junior,but if your son already has two scolarship offers, they may be willing to playnalong. At the least any interested coach will give guidance.</p>
<p>“He is a regional, not national, level ODP player who is counting on the pool of players that HYPs and Stanford can recruit being smaller than the UCLAs, UNCs, and Akrons of the world. Not saying those schools wouldn’t look at him if given the opportunity, but they are unlikely to see him and presumably they have a much larger pool from which to choose since their recruits are not subject to the same academic threshholds. On the flip side, my son would never get into an HYP or Stanford on his academics alone. He’s hoping soccer gets him in to a great school.”</p>
<p>Stanford will be interested in evaluating any regional ODP player but they will want to see him play, assuming they haven’t already. ODP regional tourney and the Stanford ID Camp might work. Academics shouldn’t be a roadblock. Good luck.</p>
<p>He has talked to coaches at Stanford and Harvard and others. He will have a limited window to showcase his talents at Disney next month. Several coaches have told him they will come see him play there. Keeping fingers crossed that it goes well. Not planning on asking for a preread this early. It would be pretty presumptious since none of the coaches have indicated that they have any interest. Just trying to get a feel for where he needs to be.</p>
<p>I know a 2011 soccer recruit at Princeton who was told that the SAT needed to break 1800. Good grades, ultimately SAT was just over 1800. Going to Princeton.</p>
<p>Although I’m not there yet, I’ve talked to some of my future teammates at P and some of them got in with M+CRs in the 1300s, with CR scores as low as the mid-500s. Lowest cumulative score of those who mentioned it was mid-1800s, though that guy was a top recruit. The point is your son will be fine with a 2010, though it can’t hurt to take it again and make it even more of a sure-fire thing for recruitment.</p>
<p>BythePitch,</p>
<p>Congrats on raising a very talented son. I would caution you about making generalizations for HYP as well as for BCCDP. It is not just scores. Three things come to mind in “setting the market” for coaches support in athletic recruiting.</p>
<p>1) SATS/ACTS. The higher the better obviously. You are competing for a spot against other very qualified candidates who may or may not have higher stats, legacy parents, other talents. Remember the acceptance rate at all Ivys is pretty low, and can be even lower depending on the declared major. </p>
<p>2) Athletic ability. Exposure, athletic ability will help you compete against other very qualified candidates. The better the athlete, the more willing the coach may be to go low on the AI scale. Be honest in evaluating your son’s talent or rely on someone who will give you honest feedback. </p>
<p>3) How many roster spots are available at your son’s position for the recruited year? This is a huge factor.</p>
<p>You are off to a good start with the first SAT scores. Ask the coach about the scores and these other factors, and I’ll think you’ll have a great idea where you stand. Good luck.</p>
<p>Not generalizing, just getting the feel for the landscape. I have no idea what BDDCP means. Thanks for the input.</p>
<p>^BCCDP is simply a condensed term for the other Ivy League schools. We live in a highly…“acronymized” world here at CC. :)</p>
<p>BTP…Do try the AI calculator. Even if you have solid SAT/GPA, it uses rank which can be the undoing of anotherwise good score. If your school, doesn’t rank, it is very helpful. Also the average AI’s of the schools are dynamic, not static, numbers. They change yearly and vary according to sport. Generally the entire team must fall within one standard deviation of the AI of the entire class at the school. I am not certain what role SAT II’s play. You will see that the calculator asks for three, whereas most Ivies only ask for 2 SAT II’s. So…the calculator is out of date. Maybe you plug the writing score into one of the slots? My son’s GC told him that they double the SATI score if that gets them a higher AI than with the SATII’s. He assured me this is how it works (and this is a school that sends many athletes to Ivies every year), but I am not sure if this is true or not.</p>