Screwy Stats -- Don't weigh them too heavily.

<p>I think the accepted (on here) acceptance rate for Exeter last year was like 22%. This is what I thought..</p>

<p>But for new upper orientation with the dean of students and the dean of res life, they stated these stats for admission:</p>

<p>5,000 applied
509 admitted
330 new students attending</p>

<p>The dean of students kept repeating those numbers (I suppose to make us feel thankful for being here).</p>

<p>And here are the stats for new uppers (from a lady in the admissions office):
304 applied for upper year
42 new uppers are attending</p>

<p>On top of that, new uppers (I've met most of them by now) are a very diverse bunch... of the 42, I know of 4 who are recruited athletes (1 hockey, 2 football, 1 lax?).. there doesn't seem to be a pattern, except that about 30% are international (and many other have lived abroad or moved around a lot), compared to the overall 11% (or something along those lines). It's a really quirky bunch, and I've already found a group of some really cool new uppers from around the world with very unique life stories (from what I've heard).</p>

<p>Also... Most PG's at Exeter are really smart, just like other accepted students. I've only met one recruited athlete who didn't seem to be as smart as his peers. So I think the auto-acceptances for recruited athletes with decent grades are a myth.</p>

<p>SO, if you want to crunch numbers to gauge your chances, you need to get the numbers straight from the sources -- I wouldn't even rely on official printed material (seems to change drastically year to year these days)</p>

<p>Moral of the story:</p>

<p>Don't put so much weight on precise stats.</p>

<p>It will be interesting what stats appear on BSR if/when they update. The latest says admit rate of 24% and latest update of 10/06. That info is providing by the school correct?<br>
If the numbers they are giving you are correct that's an admit rate of HALF of what it's been previously and what is "adveretised."<br>
I wonder if the 5000 is people who submitted "inquiries" and not who actually applied.</p>

<p>There is no way, repeat no way, that Exeter had 5,000 app's last year.
I mean, think about it for a second.</p>

<p>The WTBY Indices are a good source for accurate statistics and numbers as they verify both school supplied and outside source independently. WTBY utilizes insiders that other rating systems simply just don't have access to. Another reaon for their consistent #1 rating by the Street and Smith etc.</p>

<p>Surprisingly, even the most "prestigious" schools are notoriously unreliable, evn when one would assume that they have nothing to ummm, hide.</p>

<p>Why would one believe they would get more than twice the apps from the year before?</p>

<p>Here is the published admissions information from Exeter: <a href="http://www.exeter.edu/documents/facts2_2007.pdf%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://www.exeter.edu/documents/facts2_2007.pdf&lt;/a>
Perhaps they were referring to inquiries.</p>

<p>Scroll down to the next page. The booklet says it covers the year 2006-2007. I think it covers the info from the year before, not the class entering 2007. However, I find it hard to believe that applications would have more than doubled.</p>

<p>I have the same information as fun is fun with the WTBY rankings. So clearly WTBY stole that data from the Bunkel Index.</p>

<p>This will certainly change the BUNK index as well.</p>

<p>Yes, prepparent, it certainly affects the BUNK index, doesn't it? ;)</p>

<p>Facts:
In 2007 Exeter received 2307 applications and accepted 480 students. Of these, 330 are attending.</p>

<p>Moral of the story:</p>

<p>To quote Abraham Lincoln, "How many legs does a dog have if you call the tail a leg?
Four; calling a tail a leg doesn't make it a leg"</p>

<p>the statistics blairt wrote above are exactly what one of the Deans gave us in a speech, so if they are incorrect, it is in no way blairt's fault.</p>

<p>What is the point of the original post, really? (I have my own theory.)</p>

<p>If Exeter had a 1 in 10 admittance ratio, it would be more competitive, admissions-wise, than Harvard. (Um, it's a GREAT school, but I don't think so).</p>

<p>I have a very difficult time believing that an Exeter dean would misrepresent so drastically the admissions numbers. I have an easier time believing (a) very excited student/s misunderstood the numbers and what the dean was saying.</p>

<p>There are really only two explanations for this anomoly:</p>

<p>Theory Number One:
Just this ONCE, even at Exeter, man proves to be fallible. My guess is that the two of them were flustered at being up in front of THIS year's awesome, wicked smaht group of uppers. Why, even the athletes weren't a bunch of jocks THIS YEAR!</p>

<p>Theory Number Two:
The numbers quoted really are correct and all of this year's admits, particularly the eleventh graders, are intellectual freaks of nature, so smaht, in fact that their parents have yet to properly realize and acknowledge it, leaving their offspring in a perpetual state of self-congratulation. :)</p>

<p>I don't think those numbers could be right, because Andover would have had a fit. :) Hope everyone's having fun at their respective schools, and to the Exonians: See you at A/E day. <em>evil cackling</em></p>

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<p>If we need to get the numbers directly from the source, that means the original post is irrelevant, right?</p>

<p>And remind us: who's the one putting lots of weight on precise stats? This is why it's important to use an index, that's relative to all the other schools. How is it even possible that Exeter saw a geometric spike in applications while other schools simply saw an increase that was a fraction of what Exeter experienced. </p>

<p>Here's a precise stat: It would take 4 interviewers 1/2 a year, 6 days a week to conduct 8 45-minute interviews per day in order for 5,000 applications to be completed. Or, over a 5 month interview "season," you could work 5 interviewers 6 days a week, having them each see 10 candidates per day...to get in 5,000 applicants. Just don't let them travel to TSAO events or get too chatty with applicants.</p>

<p>baseballmom and D'yer - good lord, what perspicacious analyses....bordering on -- dare I say it? yes I do -- staggering genius. If I didn't know better, I'd say that you two were new Uppers at Exeter or something. Please, let me toot your horns for you so you don't have to do it for yourselves, a fate that, mystifyingly, seems occasionally to befall new Uppers.</p>

<p>The numbers mentioned by the Dean at the assembly for parents was:
509 admitted;
330 attending</p>

<p>The number who completed applications was between 2400 - 2500, I don't remember exactly, but it was the highest in school history.</p>

<p>You guys, chill out. I didn't say anything to mislead anyone. Those are the numbers mentioned during orientation. I can now see that the Dean meant applications submitted, not applications completed with all other necessary components (for Exeter, the official student information app and ec sheet was to be submitted before you even got a brochure.. that was the main part of the official application, and then maybe they toured, and then figured it wasn't in the cards or something and didn't complete the application).</p>

<p>By the stats prepparent07 supplied (2400-2500), the rate would be about 20%... so my initial message holds true: don't put so much weight on stats, because they change more often these days.</p>

<p>In 10/06 it was supposedly 24%, 07 it seems to be around 20ish%.... all of the top schools seem to be going through similar app spikes. So make sure the figures are correct if you depend on them so much. Say X1 School info states 65% acceptance and X2 School states 70% rate, make sure those are current figures before you mark X2 off the list. That's all.</p>

<p>Also, the reason I came back to this site was to provide information concerning new uppers, since theres a dire lack of info on this mixed group of kids.</p>

<p>The only thing I notice is more internationals kids, kids who have moved around a lot, and/or multicultural kids and TCK's. ..As well as a few particularly interesting life stories/backgrounds, etc. Another quirk.. I've met an oddly high number of new uppers who practice atypical religions (Baha'i, Vaishnavism, Eastern religions) and whatnot... it's just a very, very diverse group of kids. When I applied, I was led to believe by people on here that many new uppers were athletic recruits... this just isn't true... at all... everyone is academic, and some also play a varsity sport.. but by no means the majority, or even a quarter (I would guess, I don't know..)..</p>