Shooting at Univ. Alabama Huntsville (merged thread folds in Parents Cafe comments)

<p>I’d love to see a citation, BC Eagle. Because I was under the distinct impression that the “parenting style” theory, in whatever form, whether based on idiotic ideas of “refrigerator mothers” or otherwise, was shown many years ago to have zero scientific basis. I don’t think you should make statements like that unless you’re willing to provide specific authority, particularly when the particular theory (which was popular in the '50’s and '60’s, in the days when people paid attention to R.D. Laing and his ilk) has done so incredibly much damage to people and families over the years.</p>

<p>“So, boil it down for the non-professionals–can any of Amy’s “issues” be laid-off on Amy’s mom and dad?”</p>

<p>Anything is possible. However, my guess is that the main connection between her parents and her behaviors may be due to the genes her parents passed on.</p>

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<p>I don’t understand the fixation with mothers in this vein. I read a peer-reviewed journal
article a few years ago on a research study on parenting styles and schizophrenia. It would take me a while to find it. I do not recall the research database that I used to find it although I did take a quick look in Academic Search Premier. I would probably have to go through several research databases to find it and that can take a while. This isn’t some garbage that I found on the WWW.</p>

<p>*I’m very surprised that she has a court-appointed lawyer. Typically such lawyers have little experience in capital crime case. Normally, a middle class, educated person would do everything possible to get a private lawyer experienced in handling cases that could lead to the death penalty. *</p>

<p>If the prosecution decides to seek the DP, then she’ll be given a “death qualified” court appointed or “court approved” private attorney (who accepts a reduced rate). To be Death Qualified, usually an attorney has to have been involved with murder cases before for a certain number years and have been first chair for some specified amount of time.</p>

<p>Rarely can a middle-class person afford out-right their own DP Attorney team. To defend a DP case typically always costs at least 1 million.</p>

<p>07DAD: It appears your comment on the husband’s quote was out of context. He was referring to the IHOP incident, at least that is the way his quote was presented in the article I read.</p>

<p>excerpts fro her unpublished novel;</p>

<p>[Bishop’s</a> unpublished novel yields view of depressed heroine, fearful of losing tenure - Local News Updates - The Boston Globe](<a href=“http://www.boston.com/news/local/breaking_news/2010/02/bishops_unpubli.html]Bishop’s”>http://www.boston.com/news/local/breaking_news/2010/02/bishops_unpubli.html)</p>

<p>The complaints that I’ve thus far read from her students really wouldn’t give the administration grounds to discipline Bishop, let alone fire her.</p>

<p>In my experience I had a professor who, while reasonably friendly, was a poor teacher. The first 2 weeks of class eyes were rolling everywhere. Particularly annoying to some of my classmates was the fact that this fellow spent nearly a week’s worth of classes on a single example problem in the textbook. The class president went to the dean, who promptly told her that the professor had tenure, knew more about the subject matter than the complainers and that was that and to stop whining and grow-up.</p>

<p>Professors pratling on or regaling about their days on the campus quad is nothing new. Nor is the professor who won’t take questions during a lecture or whom gives inquisitive students that disinterested “hurry up, I have to be going” look.</p>

<p>Greta–sorry, I went back and re-read it. You are probably correct. However, the IHOP incident itself is NOT “no biggie” to me.</p>

<p>^^^</p>

<p>Where do you find where her H said that?..I’d like to see it in context. </p>

<p>BTW…how do you blow that out of proportion… even if she ONLY demanded the seat, that is going tooooo far.</p>

<p>This may be where she got the idea to write a novel:</p>

<p>[Ala</a>. slay defendant is related to novelist John Irving - Local News Updates - The Boston Globe](<a href=“http://www.boston.com/news/local/breaking_news/2010/02/ala_slay_suspec_1.html]Ala”>http://www.boston.com/news/local/breaking_news/2010/02/ala_slay_suspec_1.html)</p>

<p>My son had a professor that was a great researcher but a poor teacher but he knew his stuff. He was almost always late for class or missed classes due to illness. Son mostly learned the material on his own. My guess is that most students at research universities run into one of these types in their undergrad.</p>

<p>Professors pratling on or regaling about their days on the campus quad is nothing new. Nor is the professor who won’t take questions during a lecture or whom gives inquisitive students that disinterested “hurry up, I have to be going” look.</p>

<p>LOL… I think the funniest line I’ve ever heard a prof say to a student (after the student incorrectly answered a question)…</p>

<p>(said slowly in a **thick **foreign accent)…“I give you a minute to realize how wrong you are.”</p>

<p>I still laugh when I think about it.</p>

<p>07DAD: Yes, I happen to agree. I just hate to further damn the H beyond the known facts at this point.</p>

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<p>Interesting link. I think that there may be some frontal lobe issues.</p>

<p>[Dinsmoor said that Bishop could be blunt and abrasive to people, and was often prone to blurting whatever was on her mind.</p>

<p>"She lacked tact when we were criticizing our work,‘’ he said. “She would say things like, ‘This doesn’t work’ or ‘Get rid of that character’ – things like that. We were usually more polite.”]</p>

<p>“If the prosecution decides to seek the DP, then she’ll be given a “death qualified” court appointed or “court approved” private attorney (who accepts a reduced rate). To be Death Qualified, usually an attorney has to have been involved with murder cases before for a certain number years and have been first chair for some specified amount of time.”</p>

<p>Interesting. In the state where I live, capital crime-accused defendants typically get court-appointed attorneys with no experience in defending people accused of capital crimes. Often the trials are only 3 days long and the defendants get very bad advice from their attorneys, who may even tell them that the trial isn’t important because “If you get convicted, you can appeal.”</p>

<p>Here is the context of the H’s “no biggie” statement.</p>

<p>[Washington</a> Times - Students complained about prof charged in rampage](<a href=“http://washingtontimes.com/news/2010/feb/17/students-complained-about-prof-charged-rampage//print/]Washington”>http://washingtontimes.com/news/2010/feb/17/students-complained-about-prof-charged-rampage//print/)</p>

<p>NSM…</p>

<p>My goodness…what state is that! 3 days for a capital crime? That’s criminal in itself!</p>

<p>Yes, 3 days for a capital crime is criminal, and there are many wrongful convictions in my state, and that’s a reason why I am very much against the death penalty. I even met a person who was exonerated after being on death row for more than a decade. He was a non native English speaker who had no translater during his trial. He told me he learned to speak English on death row.</p>

<p>Back to Amy Bishop:</p>

<p>"After Friday’s bloodletting at the University of Alabama-Huntsville, police ran a background check on neurobiology professor Amy Bishop, who they suspect of methodically gunning down six colleagues, killing three.</p>

<p>Dr. Bishop’s public record showed her as a squeaky-clean, law-abiding citizen. Bishop had, in fact, a long record of interaction with police, including lodging dozens of complaints against neighbors and two cases of potentially murderous behavior. So, how did Bishop – an odd and cantankerous person by some accounts – pursue a career at high levels of academia without ever facing any fallout from a troubling rap sheet?</p>

<p>“There’s more than one reason why Amy Bishop slipped through the cracks,” says Jack Levin, a Northeastern University criminologist who has written extensively about mass murderers. “Local authorities dropped the ball. There’s a lack of coordination among [police] jurisdictions. And there’s gender: We don’t expect women to open fire with a semi-automatic 9 mm handgun, and statistically they don’t.”</p>

<p>Most notable is the absence of charges resulting from the fatal shooting of Bishop’s brother in 1986, a development that Professor Levin suggests could be a result of police “corruption or negligence.”…</p>

<p>Bishop was not charged with anything in gun-wary Massachusetts – not even a violation for discharging a gun without a permit…"
[Amy</a> Bishop case: Why no red flags were waved before shooting spree / The Christian Science Monitor - CSMonitor.com](<a href=“http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Justice/2010/0217/Amy-Bishop-case-Why-no-red-flags-were-waved-before-shooting-spree]Amy”>Amy Bishop case: Why no red flags were waved before shooting spree - CSMonitor.com)</p>

<p>This may hit high places:</p>

<p>[The</a> Congressman and the Killer - The Gaggle Blog - Newsweek.com](<a href=“http://blog.newsweek.com/blogs/thegaggle/archive/2010/02/16/the-congressman-and-the-killer.aspx]The”>http://blog.newsweek.com/blogs/thegaggle/archive/2010/02/16/the-congressman-and-the-killer.aspx)</p>

<p>As I posted earler, once it hits the fan in Massachusetts, it goes viral.</p>

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Dr. Bishop’s public record showed her as a squeaky-clean, law-abiding citizen. Bishop had, in fact, a long record of interaction with police, including lodging dozens of complaints against neighbors and two cases of potentially murderous behavior. So, how did Bishop – an odd and cantankerous person by some accounts – pursue a career at high levels of academia without ever facing any fallout from a troubling rap sheet?*</p>

<p>Because she didn’t have a “rap sheet” because of some kind of cronyism going on in Mass.</p>