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I now see where you are coming from with regard to due process discussion from yesterday. </p>
<p>I forgot about that issue that came up with regard to doctors asking about guns. </p>
<p>IIRC it also included kids being asked if there were guns in the house. </p>
<p>Can you only imagine the horror they must have been feeling as they started driving…and then to hear that news.</p>
<p>To flush out what I was saying above – I have a neighbor who is elderly and lives alone. she has severe short term memory issues but is functional, drives to meetings, to her boyfriend’s house, to see her sons, gets groceries etc etc. But if something changes in her normal routine she has a real problem, including getting frightened. The whole neighborhood knows this because she lost her keys with her mini garage door opener on the key ring and while she was learning to use a big garage door opener and to become familiar with different keys she had many occasions when she couldn’t get into the house and would ask people walking by for help (or knock on my door.) </p>
<p>someone decided to report her to the DMV for having alzheimers (which she has never been diagnosed with) and for being a risk to others if she drives. She hasn’t had so much as a driving ticket in decades. But with her short term memory, she might have a hard time convincing people at the DMV that she isn’t a danger once someone just made that up. She has driven me in her car and has zero issues that I can see following traffic laws, checking mirrors etc. But her entire life is likely to have to change now. This at least has a process where she can contest it, but the backdoor recommendations without notice taking someone’s privileges just because some meddling type of person thinks they know what is best for the world pisses me off. Here we are using 20 20 hindsight looking at a murderer, but it wouldn’t only be imposed on murderers.</p>
<p>@fluffy2017 yeah, that was the one. </p>
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<p>my sister is a clinical therapist and she’ll tell you that if you tell many folks that they have…BPD, NPD, and a few other unsavory disorders…you will never see them again. Instead they may be told that they are depressed, hve anxiety issues, mood disorders, etc (which they may have as symptoms), but not told about the disorder that they would find embarrassing.</p>
<p>you have to realize that these people have a distorted self-image. they may think that they are generous, giving, loving, empathetic, polite people…and they may be to people that don’t annoy them (and when i say “annoy”, I am not talking about normal annoyances…I am talking about being extremely annoyed at people who tell them the truth, hold them accountable, correct them, give them negative consequences, etc (they don’t want to experience any of that!). They will be nice to the people that they have painted White, and be hateful to those they have painted black (Im not talking about race. this is white hat good, black hat bad)</p>
<p>The prostitute idea wouldn’t work with this guy, because in his compulsion, it has to be according to how he designs it. Even if ( and it is possible) a girl showed any interest in him ( before she knew him well enough to run- fast) it would not be done according to how HE wanted it, or she wasn’t blonde enough, or she expected him to have any part of the relationship. According to him, any woman who just doesn’t see him and instantly give him what he wants, has failed him. A prostitute doesn’t fit the picture in his mind. </p>
<p>@Pennylane2011 yeah. There was one bit when he had tried to push girls talking to other guys at a party off a balcony and ended up being pushed off himself, breaking his leg. He said there was only one group of people on DP who helped him get to the end of the street then they left him (I suspect he was ranting about injustice, personally.) He wrote that at least one woman should have helped him get home then gone to bed with him to make him feel better. It is really a mind altering read.</p>
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<p>No, no, no! Young people always had sex. The young woman could have an illegal abortion. There were a tremendous number of illegal abortions. My mother had at least 3. Or they got married–most people married much earlier. Or they went to a home for unwed mothers and gave up the baby for adoption, which was much, much more prevalent then.</p>
<p>I’m receiving facebook postings by friends who are decrying how the narrative of this shooting is emphasizing the mental illness aspect which they fear will further stigmatize those who are mentally ill. </p>
<p>Moreover, there’s also some discussions about how it’s interesting that when one is non-White and/or not from the higher SES, the narrative is the criminal concerned is a terrorist/criminal who should be condemned and locked away and yet, when it comes to someone who is or can pass as White and comes from a well-connected privileged family as this murderer was, the narrative seems to use mental illness to provide an excuse/justification for the heinous crime committed or to further stigmatize the mentally ill. </p>
<p>CNN anchor Deborah Feyerick is receiving some criticism from some of the panelists on her program for trying to focus the discussion on the mental illness and violent video game angle and trying to ban discussion related to gun control. </p>
<p>violent video game angle? That was soothing to him, the closest he had to a social life, as I read his ‘manifesto’. This guy was all about being entitled to sex and popularity and punishing those who didn’t give it to him.</p>
<p>Well, Cobrat, it’s tough to ignore the fact that he was a narcissistic nutcase who was living in a self-created fantasyland. He is dead, so how to punish him is not an issue and mental illness is not an excuse but it may be an explanation.</p>
<p>The gun debate is a stretch in this case since he also used a sharp object and a BMW. And, had the resources to get whatever he wanted, legally or otherwise.</p>
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<p>Agree.
And that is what really makes this frightening.
Not that it matters in this case, but I think for the insanity defense, it has to be determined that you don’t know right from wrong.</p>
<p>He clearly knew the difference.
And didn’t care.</p>
<p>@fluffy2017 there are at least two different insanity tests depending on the state. I think in CA it is inability to appreciate the wrongfulness of the act, which might possibly have done something for him if it had gone to trial, depending on the judge although he clearly knew it wasn’t ‘allowed’ to kill people. He planned to kill himself, too, so he wouldn’t be caught and go to prison. But he is dead, anyhow.</p>
<p>“It’s really too bad that kids THINK they have to had sex by the time they’re in college. I bet that whole concept evolved once birth control became available and Roe vs. Wade was passed.”</p>
<p>You have got to be kidding. You think sex was just newly invented? Did you not know that the highest rate of births among 18, 19 yo women was during the late 1950’s - where “happy couples” who found themselves in the family way got married quickly and miraculously had babies “a little early” who still were a good size? Read Stephanie Coontz’ The Way We Never Were. Meticulously researched. </p>
<p>I disagree that Roe V Wade has anything to do with sexual drive.
Many, many people have had sex before they were married or even twenty years old long before Roe V Wade.</p>
<p>I don’t think Roe v Wade has anything to do with it either (although I disagree with Roe v Wade on both federal limitations of power grounds and procedural grounds.) I DO think kids think what they are taught exists as sexual practice in school is normal for all, because it is taught to warn kids of dangers, so teachers are careful to not put any disapproving spin in. I don’t have a policy recommendation, but I do think there is an effect of teaching in school that makes something seem so normal that you are abnormal if you don’t do it.</p>
<p>I heard on the radio that the mother was trying to reach him that day after seeing the Day of Retribution video and was rushing up to SB when she heard about the shooting in Isla Vista. So she was trying to stop him. </p>
<p>I think the entertainment industry has influence on creating the illusion that everyone is having sex all the time. I remember the days when sitcoms had married couples in twin bed separated by a nightstand. Now, with steamy music videos, lyrics, TV and movies that show people doing everything- what are kids supposed to think?</p>
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<p>My impression from watching the rant video is that he got those ideas from movies and TV shows, not school. </p>
<p>Also, there’s a long history of young men being expected to lose their virginity at young ages going back hundreds of years. Queen Victoria’s son “Bertie”(Later Edward VII) lost his virginity in 1861 as a 19 year old while on army maneuvers when a couple of fellow junior officers set him up with Nellie Clifden so he could lose his virginity and thus, go from being a boy to being a man as the notions went among many aristocratic officers in his unit. </p>
<p>It’s a well-known story considering the reaction of his parents when they found out…his father had him go on a walk in a cold rainy weather which factored into his illness and death and his mother was scandalized and blamed Bertie for his father’s death. </p>
<p>High school has a pretty big influence on the perception of sexual activity. Speaking from my own experiences, everyone always talked about who was dating/having sex with who. As someone who was a virgin in college, it does do a number to one’s ego.</p>
<p>altho there certainly were cases of premarital sex and shotgun weddings and illegal abortions prior to the 60s, but no one can argue that the number of virgins on their wedding days has sharply decreased.</p>
<p>nowadays, the only virgins at the altar are the Duggars…that was NOT the case prior to the 60s.</p>