Should I apply EA to UMich?

<p>I'm thinking about applying EA to UMich because I would like have a decision by December, but I'm not sure if it is a good decision because my GPA will be significantly better after my first semester of senior year. </p>

<p>If I applied EA, my GPA would be 3.88 (UW) and 4.06 (W). After the first semester of senior year, it would be 3.89 (UW) and 4.18 (W). Is this difference worth waiting until regular decision for? I'm already applying to several colleges before the end of the semester (UCLA, UC Berkeley, UCSD, USC, UW), so I'm not relying on my GPA mid-way through senior year too much anyway. </p>

<p>I've looked at the Naviance page for people who applied to UMich from my high school and almost everyone with test scores/GPAs around mine got in, but I'm still not sure that EA would be best. </p>

<p>Is it true that Michigan doesn't give out any rejections to EA applicants? And if so, would I send in my grades from my first semester of senior year if I was deferred? Are EA applicants who are deferred treated any differently than regular applicants? Also, I'm applying to CoE if that makes any difference (CS Major). </p>

<p>The difference in GPA is not going to be large enough to justify waiting. You may be deferred, but I think EA applicants that are deferred have a better shot at getting in than students who apply RD. At least they have demonstrated interest in a tangible way. EA students do sometimes get rejections, but they are not usually very strong applicants to start with. You seem to have a strong GPA.</p>

<p>By the way, be careful with Naviance. It tends to take all students who applied from your school since 2007 or even earlier. Michigan is way more selective today than it was 4 years ago, let alone 7 or 8 years ago. Unless you attend a major feeder into Michigan, at this time, I would say do not approach Michigan as a safety. </p>

<p>Just want to point out a couple things. The Naviance would not differentiate EA admission from RD admission, or LSA vs CoE. Nevertheless, you should not worry too much as they rarely reject from EA (unless you are totally out of the range or have something funny on your record). If you provide your scores, we can give you a better assessment. Currently, your GPA is a little bit below the admission average for CoE (but above the average for LSA). Are you in state or out of state?</p>

<p>I’m out of state.</p>

<p>I haven’t received results for SAT Subject Test and ACT, which are the only tests I’ve taken so far, but based on PLAN/PSAT and practice tests here’s an estimate:</p>

<p>SAT: 2210
ACT: 33</p>

<p>SAT Subject:
Math II: 790
Physics: 780</p>

<p>I would definitely apply EA. I was deferred this year and got accepted in March. I think my semester grades helped a lot in their final decision. It only helps to apply EA it cannot hurt you. You won’t be flat out rejected so dont worry just apply EA.</p>

<p>btw I had a 32 ACT (33 with one other test score) and I am out of state</p>

<p>@hockey015‌ </p>

<p>Yes, you should apply Early Action. As @SupremeStudent‌ pointed out, applying EA can only help you.</p>

<p>Have you calculated your GPA using Michigan’s method? It is my understanding they drop any +'s and -'s. With a 3.88, I suspect you have some A-s which would then become A’s. </p>

<p>Yes, absolutely apply EA to UMich and continue to do your best. But as others have warned, some schools (CoE) are significantly more difficult to get into than others (LSA). My son was Out of State with a 35 composite ACT (perfect 36 scores in Math and Science), 790 in Bio and 800 in Math SAT Subject tests and he was/is wait listed into CoE. UMich should never be treated as a safety but rather like an Ivy with regard to selectivity. Have a plan B and remember you will succeed wherever you land because you have that in you already. </p>

<p>“UMich should never be treated as a safety but rather like an Ivy with regard to selectivity. Have a plan B and remember you will succeed wherever you land because you have that in you already.”</p>

<p>That is certainly the reality today. I know of several students who were admitted into Brown, Cornell, Dartmouth, Northwestern and Penn but were rejected by Michigan in the last two years. While this happened in the 1990s and 2000s, it is becoming far more common since Michigan joined the common app in 2010. Most universities of Michigan’s caliber have had fairly consistent admission standards in the last 5 years, but Michigan has seen a significant shift in admission standards. Here’s a look at the change between 2009 and 2013:</p>

<p>ACCEPTANCE RATE (2009-2013)
Brown 11% - 9%
Cal 21% - 18%
Cornell 19% / 16%
Dartmouth 12% - 10%
Michigan 50% / 33%
Northwestern 24% / 15%
Penn 18% / 12%
UCLA 22% / 20%
UVa 32% / 30%</p>

<p>MID 50% SAT
Brown 1320-1530 / 1330-1540 (+10)
Cal 1230-1470 / 1220-1490 (+5)
Cornell 1290-1500 / 1320-1520 (+25)
Dartmouth 1340-1550 / 1360-1560 (+15)
Michigan 1230-1430 / 1280-1480 (+50)
Northwestern 1350-1540 / 1360-1550 (+10)
Penn 1350-1530 / 1360-1540 (+10)
UCLA 1150-1400 / 1170-1440 (+30)
UVa 1230-1440 / 1250-1460 (+15)</p>

<p>In the next 5-7 years, I suspect all those universities will have acceptance rates in the 10%-20% range and mid 50% SAT ranges in the 1330-1530 / 1370-1570 range. </p>

<p>@2016BarnardMom‌ </p>

<p>No, my school doesn’t weight +'s/-'s any different from regular grades. </p>

<p>I’m not sure if UMich factors in school-based honors classes, because that would shift my GPA slightly upward: 4.10 at end of junior year, 4.24 after first semester senior year. </p>

<p>UM does not weight honors classes. An above 4.0 GPA due to weighting is not a factor. </p>

<p>They do drop the +/- when configuring your GPA for admission. You should look at your transcript and you can see what that makes your GPA. </p>

<p>They admit holistically - on six points. GPA, course rigor, testing, essays, extracurriculars and recommendations.</p>

<p>There is zero reason why you should wait to RD to apply. </p>

<p>dm2017, I agree that once a top university’s acceptance rate drops to 10%, the applicant numbers plateau, or increases at a snail’s pace. But Michigan (like Chicago before it and most other elite universities at one point or another, mostly in the 1990-2005) had acceptance rates in the 40%-50% rate, which means that top applicants saw it as a reasonable option to peer universities with much less reasonable acceptance rates (like Cornell, Northwestern, Penn etc…). As long as that is the case, students will apply at an annually increasing rate.</p>

<p>Once that trend begins, there are usually two waves. The first wave occurs between the time the university joins the common application and time its acceptance rate drops to under 30%. In that initial wave, the first year or two see(s) the largest leap in the number of applicants. The consequent years will see a more modest, but steady increase in applicants until the acceptance rate drops to under 30%. The second wave . This is happening as we speak. Michigan’s applicant pool increased by 8,000 from 30,000-38,000 in 2010, the year Michigan joined the common app. Since then, Michigan’s applicant pool has increased by 4,000 annually. 42,000 in 2011, 46,000 in 2012 and 50,000 in 2013. There is no sign of plateauing yet. I expect 53,000-54,000 applicants next year (2014), at which time the acceptance rate will drop to under 30%. </p>

<p>That is when the second wave will begin. It happened with most other elites 3-6 years after joining the common app, once their acceptance dropped below 30%. I expect the first year of the second wave (which is set to start in the fall of 2015) to see an increase in applications similar to the first year of joining the common app, from 53,000-54,000 in 2014 to well over 60,000 in 2015. That’s because of applicants will view Michigan as more desirable.</p>

<p>Another factor to consider is the inevitable rise in Michigan’s yield. Over the last 5 years, it has held stead at 39%-41%. But once the University’s acceptance rate drops below a certain point, many high school kids will associate the acceptance rate with exclusivity and the yield will start to rise. Furthermore, Michigan’s current $4 billion fundraising campaign is aimed at improving FA for OOS students, which should also improve the yield. I think Michigan’s yield will improve to 45% or perhaps even a little higher. </p>

<p>It should be noted that the increase in the applicant pool does not come from middle income applicants, but from wealthy OOS and international applicants. In fact, the vast majority of this increase in Michigan’s applicant pool has come from OOS and international applicants. As a result, you are going to see a continued trend of a declining in-state undergraduate students, from 70% in 2005 to 58% today to well under 50% in the near future.</p>

<p>Of course, all of this is speculation. You may be entirely correct and Michigan’s applicant pool may have indeed plateaued. We’ll know in the next 2 years or so.</p>

<p>It is part of my job description. But let us not let the last 5 years of Michigan admissions data, or 20 years of common application data, influence our projection of the future. Let us patiently wait and see. </p>

<p>“Why do spend so much thought hypothesizing on U-M’s acceptance rate and yield?”</p>

<p>Here’s why:</p>

<p>“Why do you think acceptance rates will continue to fall at a constant? Common app is very widespread now, and the rates have likely nearly plateaued. Unless you think middle class families are going to start charging $1,000 in apps to their credit card, I can’t see where the source of all the extra applications is coming from. If anything, the rates could rise, as families become hip to the scam, and focus on 1-3 schools instead of this marketing campaign that’s trying to convince everyone to apply to 5-10.”</p>

<p>There is no marketing campaign to get kids to apply to 5-10 unis. Only around 20% of applicants apply to 7 or more according to the National Association for Admissions Counseling. But in general, it is advised to apply to UofM EA.</p>

<p>With the continuously growing in the number of applicants, the admission rate can only go down unless they increase the number of admitted students proportionally which is not the case.</p>

<p>Yes, absolutely do EA. As someone who works in the Admissions Office, the A- grades are not converted to A grades: A- grades are A- grades. However, everyone is correct by stating that anything over a 4.0 is negligible (GPAs are only viewed unweighted). </p>

<p>@rootbeerfloat909‌ “A- grades are not converted to A grades: A- grades are A- grades”</p>

<p>I’m confused, because at my UM admissions presentation they stated that minuses and pluses are dropped when GPAs are recalculated. Do you mean the “-” or “+” still shows up on the transcript?</p>