Should I discourage my little sisters from going to community college and encourage them to apply to other schools?

Lots of people here can help them with essays.

I understand it’s money your family needs now, but try to figure out how many hours you can afford to hang on without their help and make sure they dedicate these hours to essay writing. If it’s got ro be now, it’ll be now. I’d say if they can find even 2 hours every week from now till Fall (or even less) and work with people from this forum, that’s enough to get something ready. Can your family afford to give them “2 hours/investment-in-future” per week or is that the difference between having a roof and homelessness?

You can frame it like Michel’s experiment with the marshmallow: if you delay a bit, the rewards are high so the trade off makes you lose in the short term but win double in the not long/a bit longer term. (Yes I know it’s not a matter of controlling impulses but helping wirh basic, urgent needs, which is why it is so difficult.)

Btw: Twins may well get into the same school. (Colleges are well aware that if 2 twins apply and only one gets in, s/he may well refuse to attend without the twin.)

@econpop: I hope he sees it’s not all or nothing. I understand the priority was getting away from a place/family, but hopefully he can take even one class per term at a CC to keep the momentum going.

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It really is all or nothing for him, and others.

The kinds of jobs he can get are incredibly low paying. If he works, he has to work as much as possible to pay the cost of living, which means a second job and maybe a third if he can get it. And he’s living with a girlfriend and roommates. Even if he had the time to take a class, the money to pay for it and a CC was nearby (where he moved places him in a rare NC CC desert with nothing within 20-30 minutes, which is further complicated because he doesn’t own a car and relies upon his roommates/girlfriend) his living conditions aren’t suitable for studying.

If he chooses to go to college, he’d have to find a way to live for free on campus at a 4yr or dramatically reduce his living expenses somehow to attend a CC full time (to receive his FinAid he can’t take a class a semester) while working part time. Moving back with his mother really isn’t an option, because of logistics not any trouble between them.

He either goes to a 4yr residential that somehow costs him nothing out of pocket while hopefully providing a few hundred a semester to help him close that ever-present gap, or he works. There’s no realistic middle ground.

What about Berea?

@rJason : Berea is a work college for high achieving low ibcome.students. look into it.

As much as we’d like to think it doesn’t happen, it’s common for academically able kids to have to turn down college to work and support family. Sometimes parents aren’t working/around/smart so they’re actually doing it for their siblings. Other times parents are there - at least one - but they just don’t have the funds. It’s tough to save anything, even if the family income is $20-$30/hr (41K-62K before taxes) when other issues are involved (medical, etc). There’s still rent, food, insurance, etc, taking a big chunk of that income. It’s tough to share a place when you have a family.

I applaud states that have an affordable option for those who need it.

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It sounds like these girls really just want to go to community college, which is fine. One of my 18 year olds who’s been working part time since 14 de used not run track this season to work more to make even more money for college (she broke a school record 2 seasons ago, last season didn’t happen, so it was a hard choice). She works almost every day after school, nights on the weekends at another job, has a tutoring and babysitting gig. She also applied to 20 colleges, extra essays for honors, and applied to about 30 local essays (got $6000 in total so far from 2). Her twin applied to 6 colleges, no honors essays, applied for zero essays because he didn’t want to do the work. He works sporadically as a soccer ref when he bothers to sign up for games (gets $40 an hour). It’s possible to work and get other things done, but it’s hard and not everyone wants to do it. My other children are more like my daughter, but I think it’s nature vs. nurture. I think it’s great that the OP wants nothing but the best opportunities for her siblings, but it’s really up to them.

To qualify for the Pell, you’d need at least a 50% course load.
At some colleges, that could be 2 classes a term. Not easy to do working 40 hours a week (pretty much impossible if you work more hours than that). So he’d have to work his way up to where 40 hours a week pays enough.
I believe you may take loans as a PT student. Though both Pell and Federal Loans have a limited number of years.

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I went to community college and took 4-5 classes per semester and also took a course each summer all while working a 40 hour a week construction job. It was hard. It took up my entire life but I did it and did it with a 3.95 gpa. I didn’t go to college right out of high school because I didn’t think it was possible, money. 5 years later I decided to make it happen all while living on my own and paying all my bills. It can be done.

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Is military an option? GI Bill. Some bases have education centers.

These are the kind of kids it hurts to watch slip through the cracks. They just need one break.

@rJason I’m really impressed by how proactive you’ve been to find your way to a degree under tough circumstances, lots of respect to you. Your sisters are very lucky to have you as a supporter and guide! You’ve figured out so much on your own that you may not need my help, but I’d share my thoughts on how a couple of smart, savvy young people can make money as efficiently as possible.

It seems to me that both you and your sisters need to focus on maximizing your pay rate, so that you don’t have to work any more hours than you want/need to and can put more of your focus on your educations. The key is to identify your most marketable skills, and then take them to the wealthiest clientele/location you can access – now that so much work is being done online/remotely, you may be surprised at how far you can reach! Based on your description, it sounds like you’re all smart, responsible, & trustworthy – folks will pay a premium for good help they can rely on!

For you, that likely means tutoring, especially SAT with your scores/math background – if you’re patient and communicate well, you should be able to get at least $70/hour on Long Island, and potentially quite a bit more (plus, you can get paid in cash on the date of service). Definitely PM me if you want more info/advice about tutoring. Otherwise, if you have any coding or design skills, you could probably start picking up website work for local businesses now – less sure of the pay rate here but seems like at least $30/hour if you’re decent, with a ton of room for growth. Or, you could look into high-end work that comes with cash tips, like caddying at a country club or hosting at an upscale restaurant or bar. Construction also tends to pay well if you’re up for it.

For your sisters, the most lucrative work would probably be babysitting/nannying/homework help (ideally for a wealthy family), hosting at a high-end restaurant where they’ll get tips, or learning a skill like lifeguarding that they could then take to work country clubs or private parties – $20/hour is well within reach for any of these options. Since making an extra $2k-$4k over a few months would make a critical difference to your family, I think it’s extremely worth it to target the most lucrative work opportunities you can find.

And lastly, it’s important to remember that applying for scholarships and student contests is a job that can have a much higher payoff than hourly work – potentially tens or even hundreds of thousands of dollars. Of course you have to do what it takes to keep yourselves fed and housed, but I’m worried that if your sisters develop the mindset that all their free hours should be exchanged for minimum wage work, they’ll miss out on much bigger, transformative scholarship opportunities.

I think the best-case scenario would be for you all to first figure out how to upgrade your hourly pay as much as you can (for them +$2/hr is good, +$5/hr is better…you might be able gain $10-20/hour!) and then dedicate the hours saved to scholarship/college applications and the academic activities/contests that will make them competitive applicants. That still holds true even if CC is the best-fit college option for them – there are tons of outside scholarships that could give them money for transportation/living expenses (even at home!) and the other extra fees that have you worried. Lots of corporate and community-based scholarships focus on women, students from low-income backgrounds, and other underrepresented groups – your sisters are perfect candidates, and should absolutely take advantage. ROTC is another option to research. Plus, some scholarships come with mentoring support and internship access that, in the long-run, will be just as valuable as the money itself.

Good luck and I hope some of this helps!

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… if the student wants to be a military officer (in which case the student may already know about ROTC and the service academies).

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The guy I was talking about has less than zero interest in the military, so that’s not an option.

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I think the Suffolk CC to Stony Brook path is really good option, especially for STEM. Not sure if both your sisters are interested in STEM. Also this is not an either or thing, you can always encourage your sisters to apply to a few four year colleges and see how the admissions and financial aid go. And encourage them to a four-year if you think that’s the best course for them.

I lived in Poughkeepsie, the local c/c was Dutchess, and many people went there and then SUNY or Marist (local LAC) or private. It’s a good system, as you probably know.

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So today, I learned about Oklahoma Panhandle State University. It’s cost is $12,000 for Tuition, fees, and room and board. It offers both associate degrees and bachelor’s. With Pell, a loan and a part time job, it could work out for him. There is no out of state differential. Maybe something he could look into. They may still be accepting applications for fall. They also have some small scholarships still available based on GPA or test scores

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Thanks for the new entry for the Affordable Colleges bucket. Though OPSU looks like it is a little more than $12K ($13.5K) that is a great price for T+R&B. This should be a good option for many, especially those in surrounding states.

@sdad posted this earlier, thought it might interest your sisters.