<p>I’m very aware of the admissions process and in turn the factors taken into consideration. I know there are unhooked candidates who get in with lower scores than URMs. But these are the minority. </p>
<p>The average SAT score for unhooked acceptees is significantly higher than that for hooked acceptees. 2300 is not an unreasonable estimate.</p>
<p>“give them lots of $$$ (via no aid)”</p>
<p>Havard and Yale are need-blind for domestic applicants.</p>
<p>Wait,silver turtle where are you getting your facts?
any sources? Just curiosity, b/c that the study would be interesting. (serious)</p>
<p>To be honest, I am loathe to rant against the OP b/c I believe we’ve all felt frustrated with the SAT at one time or the other
plus, I really don’t think SATS measure intelligence/or anything at all.
Its just a test.
Sometimes, I feel slightly irritated by the way CCers so happily insult another’s inteligence. </p>
<p>CCers are such amazing judges of intelligence- they should have coauthored Howard Gardner’s studies. And obviously from one SAt score you can judge the intelligence of someone you don’t even know who mayor may not even exist. Wow CCers are not only brilliant geniuses but psychic,and telepathic- who knew? (sarcasm)</p>
<p>Once you get to 2300 though, schools really stop differentiating between scores. So I think that searching for a range would probably be more indicative than a mean or median.</p>
<p>Which facts specifically?</p>
<p>BuddyMcAwesome,</p>
<p>At the very least, that is untrue for Yale SCEA: having a higher score, even beyond 2300, yields an advantage.</p>
<p>SATs are VERY Important, in most colleges they are just as and if not more important than GPAs and Class Rank.</p>
<p>GPA and class rank are subjective, a valedictorian of a school full of dummies is no better than a B student at a magnet school. SATs help level the playing field. If you think they are not important I will use a personal anecdote. Last year 4 kids at my school had average GPAs and they ended up getting into competitive schools like UNC Chapel Hill, Carnegie Melon and two of them were accepted into Georgia Tech.</p>
<p>Hate to say it, but tests in general level the playing field. A student can have good teachers who are lenient and as a result get a 4.0 while another student has strict teachers and is lucky to even have a 3.5.</p>
<p>SATs are indeed important, even for the schools on the fairtest list (they use them for out of state students and for merit scholarships).</p>
<p>Also I had a 1450 (math, reading and writing) for my starting score when I took a practice SAT in the 9th grade. The first time I took the SAT I made an 1840 without any prep because my high school is so difficult (so much focus on math and reading, all classes are honors level). A friend of mines who is in the top 10 percent of his class at another school only made a 1520 on the SAT (math, reading and writing) because he rarely has homework for his school and often he has a lot of free time to go on myspace. </p>
<p>I am happy that we have some sort of standard in America so kids from easier schools cannot get into a good college based only on GPA. After a little bit of prep I made a 1940 on the October SAT and after intense prep I am making 2100s on my SATs (2130 on the past SAT, hope to make it this coming Saturday).</p>
<p>At my school, a C student could graduate an honor student at any regular public school, it is just that rough. We have tons of homework every night…</p>
<p>Please point out specific comments I have made that indicate a naivete of college admissions. </p>
<p>I didn’t deny the presence of an advantange for developmental applicants. I said the schools were need-blind, which is a fact.</p>
<p>“If you haven’t noticed, colleges are hush on stats for legacies/kids not applying for aid as opposed to how positive they are to kids who do apply.”</p>
<p>Please elaborate on your implicit message.</p>
<p>I believe that colleges such as HYP withhold the information on average SAT score, things like that, as to not discourage people from applying, thereby allowing a bigger pool of more diverse people to choose from. </p>
<p>Also, to make their acceptance rates more selective. :)</p>
<p>Why would B get in? Yale and Harvard are need-blind. If all else were equal, A would get in.</p>
<p>“I know this because something similar happened with two girls at NYU from my town”</p>
<p>Is it even necessary for me to point out the logical fallacy?</p>
<p>@OP, either you go to a comparatively easy school, or you work extremely hard to get those grades and didn’t work extremely hard studying for the SAT. I go to a school known for being very difficult and competitive where getting an A actually means something, and getting an A- is usually pretty difficult too, so it isn’t surprising when B+/A- kids all get 700+. In a way, comparing the average SAT score of a school to the GPA is a pretty telling indicator of a school’s difficulty. I know at least at my school, 60% of the grade scores over 700 on either math or reading, however, the average GPA is only around 3.2, not a single person has a 4.0, and only about 3 students have 3.9+ (out of 200).</p>
<p>I’ll offer you data if you continue to doubt me.</p>
<p>PRINCETON RD ANALYSIS - Completed by me on last year’s CC results (sample size of 91)</p>
<p>Average SAT of Asians accepted: 2327
Average SAT of whites accepted: 2289
Average SAT of Hispanics accepted: 2180
Average SAT of African Americans accepted: 2156</p>
<p>Full data analysis available here: <a href=“http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/college-admissions/651345-race-college-admissions-faq-discussion-3-a-48.html[/url]”>http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/college-admissions/651345-race-college-admissions-faq-discussion-3-a-48.html</a></p>
<p>YALE SCEA ANALYSIS - Completed by me on last year’s CC results (sample size of 148)</p>
<p>Average SAT of Asians accepted: 2347
Average SAT of whites accepted: 2353
Average SAT of Hispanics accepted: 2243
Average SAT of African Americans accepted: 2083</p>
<p>Full data analysis available here: <a href=“http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/college-admissions/651345-race-college-admissions-faq-discussion-3-a-49.html[/url]”>http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/college-admissions/651345-race-college-admissions-faq-discussion-3-a-49.html</a></p>
<p>Discussion available here: <a href=“http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/yale-university/723173-helpful-thread-those-contemplating-scea.html[/url]”>http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/yale-university/723173-helpful-thread-those-contemplating-scea.html</a> (Note, though, that the links on that page no longer are valid.)</p>
<p>So guys, would an Indian person count as an Asian? (Indian as in Slumdog people)</p>
<p>Handala92, NYU is not need blind; Harvard and Yale are.</p>
<p>I do not wish to offend or condescend you, but you seem to hold various misconceptions about the admissions process. I’m happy to answer any questions that you have, but it’s rather presumptuous to make the fallacious leaps you are. </p>
<p>The common misconception that SAT means everything has been replaced with the equally wrong misconception that it doesn’t really affect admissions as long as one has a good score. Furthermore, the claims that there are significant disparities between unhooked acceptees’ scores and those of hooked acceptees are true.</p>
<p>“So guys, would an Indian person count as an Asian? (Indian as in Slumdog people)”</p>
<p>Well, they are, so yes.</p>
<p>“remember (once again) that CC is not indicative of the 2k people admitted.”</p>
<p>In what ways?</p>
<p>Indeed, people lie on the Internet. But I doubt it’s rampant on decisions threads (upon which my data are based). I also doubt that it’s meaningfully more commonplace online than in person (off of whom your claims are based).</p>
<p>“So guys, would an Indian person count as an Asian? (Indian as in Slumdog people)”</p>
<p>Well, they are, so yes. </p>
<p>AWWWWW >_<</p>
<p>I am Indian and it has been my dream to go to Princeton, Harvard or Yale.
Oh well, might as well go there for grad school then.</p>
<p>Handala92, I am merely attempting to reform the misconceptions of some and preclude the proliferation of these false ideas. Knowledge is power. :)</p>
<p>Also, please don’t take my desire to reveal the racial disparities in SAT as anything more than a desire to elucidate the reality. I, too, am both qualified and under-represented.</p>
<p>There is not a blanket consideration for all Asians, however, Protagonist. Certain Asian populations are more over-represented than others; colleges know and heed this concept.</p>
<p>If you want to go to a school, just apply; everyone has a chance.</p>