Stanford vs Berkeley?

Colleges and Universities A-Z University of California - Berkeley
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I apologize, I meant to say HYP, not Ivies.

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<p>For HY, I would agree, but not necessarily Princeton. Princeton is still shaking off a reputation for being a racist institution in the 1980's, and is considered to be less than uber friendly to minorities such as Asian Americans. </p>

<p>That reputation, along with a recent drop in female yield rates to Princeton because of the Michael Lohman incident, (<a href="http://www.dailyprincetonian.com/archives/2005/05/26/news/13021.shtml%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://www.dailyprincetonian.com/archives/2005/05/26/news/13021.shtml&lt;/a> )gives rise to the impression of many Asian American youth in California. If you go out of state, it has to be Harvard or Yale. Why even waste time with Princeton's application? </p>

<p>So in summary, yes, HY would be chosen over Berkeley, and for many Asian Americans, Princeton would not be worth the time of putting together an application because of their reputation for being a racist institution which still carries over from the 1980's and before era.</p>

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<p>Tupac,</p>

<p>Where do you get this information that Asians are avoiding Princeton? I'm fairly active in the Asian community in LA, and I don't hear much about Asians being reluctant to go there.</p>

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<p>^ That was the common perception of Asian American high schoolers in Los Angeles when I was a high schooler in the 90's. </p>

<p>I'm sure that a lot of Asian Americans apply to Princeton. But in general, there are a lot of people with the perception that you try to get into Harvard and Yale, and Princeton is less desirable because of the racist repuation that school has. So many just apply to Harvard, Yale. And maybe Wharton and Cornell as ivy backups. But then, many would choose Berkeley over Cornell and UPenn anyways because of the added value of the continued California experience, and the fantastic reputation of Berkeley worldwide. This was the common perception of Asian Americans at high schools with a significant Asian American population in LA in the 90's. </p>

<p>All in all, thats a lot of applications to work on. So Princeton's racist reputation does make you spend more time on the Yale Harvard applications while not even applying there. </p>

<p>Princeton's average SAT score is lower than the average SAT score of Asian Americans at Berkeley. Added to that statistic, the racist reputation of Princeton, makes one strive harder to go to Harvard or Yale instead and probably not even apply to Princeton because of time constraints.</p>

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Sakky. UCLA's economic forecasts of the Southern California housing market says we are headed for a serious housing bubble. And yes, I as well as pretty much anyone in finance I know would trust UCLA's housing research over a private school in the same region, say Claremont McKenna's. Yes, public research in many cases is seen to have less reliance on private interests than private schools do.

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<p>TupacShakur/WestSidee/California1600, let me put it to you this way. Let's say we have 2 geophysics papers in front of us. Both talk about the chances of a major earthquake in SoCal in the next X years. The first report is from UCLA. The second is from Caltech. Which one should we trust more? </p>

<p>As a point of reference, note that according to the NRC, Caltech has the #1 ranked geosciences research department. UCLA's is #10. </p>

<p><a href="http://www.stat.tamu.edu/%7Ejnewton/nrc_rankings/area30.html%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://www.stat.tamu.edu/~jnewton/nrc_rankings/area30.html&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p>

<p>However, to follow your logic, then I would have to trust the UCLA report more because Caltech is a private school and so it is clearly going to produce a highly biased and unfair geology report about SoCal, right? So basically any research that comes out of Caltech about Socal, I should just toss away in favor of some research from UCLA, right? </p>

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For HY, I would agree, but not necessarily Princeton. Princeton is still shaking off a reputation for being a racist institution in the 1980's, and is considered to be less than uber friendly to minorities such as Asian Americans.

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<p>Even if that's true, if you're not a minority, then what do you care? Even if Princeton is every bit as racist against Asians as you are saying, why exactly would that deter a white Californian from going there? </p>

<p>And what is the deal with your constant snubbing of MIT? Is it your official position that no Asian Californian should ever want to go to MIT? Or that California Asians who get admitted to Berkeley and MIT should always choose Berkeley? If so, maybe you should tell that to the many Asians from California that are at MIT now, or who graduated from MIT that they were stupid to have chosen MIT. Then again, these are MIT students aand alumni we're talking about there, so how stupid could they really be?</p>

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<p>Sakky,</p>

<p>I understand your point, but does UCLA always have to be the negative example? Hmmm? ;)</p>

<p>Personally, I would just trust whatever Berkeley said. They're always right.</p>

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I understand your point, but does UCLA always have to be the negative example? Hmmm?

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<p>Hey, I wasn't the one who brought up UCLA. So don't blame me. Blame TupacShakur/WestSidee/california1600/california_pride for bringing UCLA into the fray. I'm just following his lead.</p>

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<p>Wow. I was just browsing around these forums and was VERY surprised to find a 19 page discussion on whether Cal or Stanford was better. Personally, I just think all of you are wasting your time trying to convince people that either school is superior. Everyone has grown up with different impressions of both schools and trying to sway that opinion is a waste of time. I come from Southern California and over here, a student would chose Stanford over Berkeley at the drop of the hat. I myself chose USC over Berkeley with no qualms and am really surprised that the rest of the country views Berkeley as highly as they do. It's just my personal impression that I've grown up with. Everyone has them. It's pointless to try and change them.</p>

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<p>wats the big deal, who cares, both are great schools, and both equal great degrees. I dig berkeley better cause of the action, the noise and the citty, and i don't dig stanford as much cause of the quite the suburbia, and the space. whateva blows ur skirt up, just chill out peeps</p>

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Hey, I wasn't the one who brought up UCLA. So don't blame me. Blame TupacShakur/WestSidee/california1600/california_pride for bringing UCLA into the fray. I'm just following his lead.

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<p>Man, you have no sense of humor...gah. Oh well, maybe it was too subtle...</p>

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<p>"Personally, I just think all of you are wasting your time trying to convince people that either school is superior. Everyone has grown up with different impressions of both schools and trying to sway that opinion is a waste of time. I come from Southern California and over here, a student would chose Stanford over Berkeley at the drop of the hat."</p>

<p>Ek1000, that is not only a southern california phenomenon. It is true every where in the country and the world. It's even true of students who live in the heart of Berkeley itself. Nobody is really trying to dispute which school is superior. Even Berkeley students can concede on that. This thread was more about disputing which school has better graduate programs, which can indeed be disputed.</p>

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Princeton's average SAT score is lower than the average SAT score of Asian Americans at Berkeley.

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<p>I believe that's not true and I am Asian!!</p>

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Princeton's average SAT score is lower than the average SAT score of Asian Americans at Berkeley.

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<p>I'd like to see the evidence that supports this.</p>

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<p>^ Sakky. The following is the average SAT score of class of 2009 admits at Princeton using the Ivy methodology. </p>

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The average SAT score was 730 for the verbal section and 730 for the math section and 94 percent of the admitted students were in the top 10 percent of their high school classes.

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<a href="http://ivysuccess.com/princeton_2009.html%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://ivysuccess.com/princeton_2009.html&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p>

<p>In an earlier calculation, we came up with a 21 point difference for the Ivy SAT methodology vs. the UC SAT methology. So Princeton's average SAT score under the UC methodology is 1440. </p>

<p>Berkeley's average SAT score is 1400. However, in the past, Korean Americans, Chinese Americans, Japanese Americans, Indian Americans, Pakistani Americans at Berkeley have scored on average 40-50 points higher than the average SAT score at Berkeley. This would put the Asian American SAT average at Berkeley to be around 1440-1450. Which is higher than Princeton's average SAT score.</p>

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<p>I would like to see the data that shows the SAT score of Asian-Americans at Berkeley. </p>

<p>And where did you get the data that says that Berkeley's average SAT score is 1400? From the data I see, it's more like somewhere in the low 1300's. </p>

<p><a href="http://osr2.berkeley.edu/Public/STUDENT.DATA/PUBLICATIONS/UG/ugf04.html#table%2014%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://osr2.berkeley.edu/Public/STUDENT.DATA/PUBLICATIONS/UG/ugf04.html#table%2014&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p>

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<p>Oh shutup people. Seriously. The only statistic I care about:</p>

<p>Women - 12,345
Men - 10,535</p>

<p>That means 1,810 extra women. Sweet.</p>

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<p>FINALLY someone posts a MEANINGFUL statistic... Ya know people if youre done with high school and on to college who cares about the average SAT score, theyre all awesome schools, and if youre still in high school, well...that explains things.</p>

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<p>I didn't know people were so passionate about this...this has to be a bunch of not Bears and Cardinal. My brother and I went to the same undergrad in the midwest. He went to Stanford for grad school, I went to Cal. We love to give eachother crap and make fun of eachother, but we never think low of eachother's school. In our opinion there are two great rivalries like this...Stanfurd - Cal and MIT-Harvard. Basically, what I consider, the 4 finest Universities in the country. Now, I have an MIT brother as well, and he feels about Harvard, what I feel about Stanfurd. We make fun of eachother, but respect the hell out of eachother. I have no problem about a Cardinal talking about how great they are, they can back it up. If USC grads like to tell me how they are the best school in the state, which they do, I get offended for both Stanford and Cal...not to mention CalTech and UCLA, UCSD, CalState chico, Santa Monica College, Humboldt State, Compton College, the Los Angeles Unified School District, etc...=)...of course I don't mean anything after Chico.</p>

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<p>Hey hey hey, USC ain't all that bad. They have some good grad programs, and law and medical school, too. But your post is mostly good.</p>

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<p>I think that Stanford and Berkeley do have a rivalry, but a friendly one. All of my Stanford friends I talked to while I was at Stanford had a high regard for Berkeley. We consider Berkeley to be on par with Stanford. I've even met one who was rejected by Berkeley. About the friendliness, I think that the Big Game and the fighting over axe is mostly friendly and with some humor and tradition too.</p>

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<p>I think the respect comes mostly from the fact that many California high schools send their top students to one of these two schools. Many Stanford students have high school friends who are at Berkeley, and vice versa.</p>