Stanford vs Berkeley?

<p>I don't think any of you adequately responded to my post. I know you guys aren't used to it, but there are other more effective forms of rhetoric than mere name-calling and cliches. </p>

<p>Anyway, as per your argument that Stanford is overpriced, let me tell you this. Unless your daddy is a filthy rich dude making over 200K a year, chances are that the financial aid packages that Stanford doles out makes it a much more affordable college than Berkeley. Maybe it might cost a bit more, or maybe it might cost a bit less, but the average price Stanford students pay is about the same that average students pay at Berkeley. As for me, I am expected to pay 15 grand a year for Yale with no loans. That is significantly less than the 20K i would have had to dish out for Berkeley. Sometimes, sticker price doesn't reflect the actual price by any strength of the imagination. So for those of you paying the full 22K for Berkeley who could have paid the same exact amount (or less) for the school across the Bay, I'd be pretty ticked off at the adminstration. At the very least, I'd direct all my anger and pent-up rage elsewhere.</p>

<p>BERKELEY CAMPUS $98.75
CLASS PASS FEE - TRANSIT $37.20
COURSE MATERIALS FEE $0.00
EDUCATIONAL $2,485.50
HEALTH INSURANCE $387.00
LATE REGISTRATION FEE $0.00
UNIVERSITY REGISTRATION $356.50</p>

<pre><code>Total : $3,464.95
</code></pre>

<p>That's ONE semester worth, straight from my bearfacts account..can't argue with that. Multiply by 2, and get 7000 dollars of tuition I pay per year. Where you got $22,000, god only knows. And keep in mind I get NO financial aid whatsoever (most Cal students I know do). So maybe you were including housing.......that's brings the sum up to $14,000 dollars per year for me. No offense, cause Yale is a good school, but I'd rather have a science degree from Berkeley than a science degree from Yale, even if I were paying $12,000 for Yale.</p>

<p>I haven't met a single person from Stanfurd that I would consider to be "smart".</p>

<p>There are many many smart Stanford people out there.</p>

<p>Not that I've seen in investment banking or management consulting.</p>

<p>West Sidee...how many Stanford people have u met exactly to make this judgement?
"There are an estimated 169,324 living Stanford degree holders"
....from the Stanford website</p>

<p>I bet you haven't even met 0.1% of them. </p>

<p>Don't make such rash judgements. </p>

<p>GO CARDINAL! :D</p>

<p>^ I've met about 40-50. Not a single one I thought was smarter than the people I knew at Berkeley. </p>

<p>I thought the Asian guys from Stanfurd were kind of not exactly leadership type of guys if you ask me. You know, the kind of guys who make minimal impact in the world. Look at the record of famous Asian Americans from Berkeley vs. AA's from Stanfurd. The list isn't even close. </p>

<p>Mayasoshi Son, who was the richest Asian ever at $76 Billion, learned something at Berkeley that his concubine Jerry Yang never got a chance to learn. How to be a Man.</p>

<p>haha, that's classic</p>

<p>I think you guys are missing Gutrade's point. He is saying that Berkeley is not good enough to have a rivalry with Stanford. Well does anyone disagree? I think Berkeley certainly falls short of Stanford's excellence, and hence the reason it is called a Stanford-reject school. Berkeley is a backup school. Nothing more, and nothing less.</p>

<p>Don't feed the trolls. No reasonable person could deny the power of Berkeley research. The last time I checked, Stanford didn't have an element named after it.</p>

<p>"actually screw you, getrude, you wench"</p>

<p>Wouldn't it be more dignifying to respond to Gutrade's points instead of calling him/her empty names? (or at least spelling the name right)</p>

<p>I don't see the point in having such bitter rivalry. A bit of rivalry is fun, but not when it descends to the level as shown by some of you here.</p>

<p>Berkeley, you suck because you still haven shaken the image of hippies getting wasted on campus. Stanford, you suck 'cos you're in Palo Alto.</p>

<p>Now shut up and enjoy the rivalry to a more dignified level :)</p>

<p>Stanford sucks just as much as Berkeley if you site admitting students with low SAT scores into the school. I know people who were admitted with sub 1000 SAT scores, and they succeded in college.</p>

<p>Gutrade you are amazing. I mean its one thing to write that but its a whole different issue when you actually believe it. My school sends 50 people a year to Berkeley without fail. Is that because we have alot of sub 1000 SAT's? No, its because they all scored over 1400 and a great many of them scored over 1500. I know of several people who having gotten into several schools other schools will opt for Cal still. And btw, typically the very low scorers tend to be few and far between and are people who have done poorly at school for the sake of say, taking care of their 5 siblings for the last 12 years with no parents. If you dont think that is an indicator of success and perseverence then youre delusional. And as far as your terrible Soviet Union- Cal analogy please dont contrubute such terrible relationships in some attempt to feel intellectual. How does Cal seeking to keep itself on par with the very best institutions in the world dimish the quality of education. The Soviet Union used impossible quotas in an attempt to keep production high, many times at the cost of quality of life. The only way to make Cal more competitive (short of inflating GPA...) is to make the education recieved the best the school has to offer. The school will not crumble, because you can say that "Its gonna run out of funding" but students still pay half of the costs. And Berkeley has lasted a whole lot longer than the Soviet Union did (1873-PRESENT). So, feel free to go spend 45k for a sterile, aseptic college environment in the suburbs where you probably already are, and ill take my FIRST choice school for less than 20k in an awesome town. The next time you want to keep ranting ask someone who hires EECS grads if theres the "leagues" between the candidates from Cal and Stanford. There isn't. I would know.</p>

<p>Fine, I'll respond to Gutrade's views seriously, although it is hard to take some punk, naive high school kid's views on college seriously........</p>

<p>"The very fact that you guys believe the difference in caliber between Stanford and Berkeley is so minute speaks volumes of the hyperinflated sense of self that plagues the Berkeley student body."</p>

<p>-No, the "difference" between Berkeley and Stanford is a product of numerous rankings that place Berkeley's undergraduate programs up at the top (USnews, Gourman reports, etc)</p>

<p>"Quite frankly, I am astounded that you guys think Berkeley is up to par with the likes of Stanford, Yale, and MIT. Didn't that Berkeley admissions offer to the doofus 900 SAT scoring student in the back of your class open your eyes to the HUGE divide between the mediocrity of Berkeley and the excellence of Stanford?"</p>

<p>-I looked at your previous posts, YOU'RE FROM NEW JERSEY....WHAT THE F#CK DO YOU KNOW ABOUT WHO GETS ADMITTED TO BERKELEY. The lowest SAT among my friends who are not athletes/under-represented minorities is 1290. And as I said before in my previous post, the only Yalie I know is a white guy with a 1200 in his SATs. Oh, and don't forget our brilliant president. </p>

<p>"To those of you who already go to Cal, didn't your run-ins with those dumb, lazy, incompetents who never lift a finger make you wonder if Berkeley is actually a university and not some glorified night school?"</p>

<p>-Yeah, i've met idiots at Berkeley, and I've met idiots from Harvard and Stanford as well. And that aforementioned Yalie with 1200 on his SATs says "There's nothing special about Yale." A Guy with 1200 on his SATs can say that about Yale??? I remember watching the news about some Yale transfer who was getting kicked out because he forged his junior college transcripts/ letters of rec to get into yale...he got kicked out a month before graduation and he had a B average at Yale... while he had something like a 2.4 GPA at junior college. HUH????? </p>

<p>"Whether or not you choose you answer those questions"</p>

<p>-Is that a deep philosophical statement or Yale-grammar?</p>

<p>"I think it is positively undeniable that there are countless aspects of Berkleley that make you think twice about calling it a first-class school. Aside from the large lecture halls, unremarkable student body, poor resources, and the lack of undergraduate focus"</p>

<p>-large lecture hall.....in this day and age of advanced audio/visual equipment, do you think it matters? There are large classes at every major school, and many lectures are even webcast.
-Unremarkable student body.....There are plenty of smart kids at Berkeley, by sheer numbers, much more than there are at Yale, that's for sure. If we're talking engineers or physical science majors, Berkeley trumps Yale....hard. So get over it. More Berkeley undergrads go on to get PhDs than undergrads from any other institution in the US. Chances are, many of your TAs and profs are Berkeley alumni.
-poor resources.....what does that mean, not having an escalator that takes me from building to building? Like I said before, you're a naive highschool kid.
-lack of undergrad focus.....the biggest b<em>ll</em>*** of alll. I have so much attention that it's actually a pain in the ass to have to meet wth my faculty/major advisors all the time....at least in the college of chem. As an undergrad, if you want attention, you SEEK attention. That's true in every college that acknowledges that its students are fully-functioning adults in society. So maybe you were talking about academic focus on undergrads......another b<em>ll</em>***. In 3 years of Berkeley, I've had a grad student teach only one class that i've taken at Cal...it was a summer class, and he was the best math instructor i've EVER had. Most departments at Berkeley only let senior grad students teach....As a side note, I had/have 2 profs team-teaching my upper-div physical chem class, BOTH semesters. </p>

<p>"there is also the problem of a rabid jealously/inferiority complex that is poisoning the student body."</p>

<p>-The only jealousy/inferiority complex is from you. Looking at your post history, somewhere between a third to a half of your posts regard Berkeley. That's strange considering you're some punk New Jersey kid who didn't even apply to Berkeley....and was rejected from Stanford</p>

<p>"To constantly hate on Stanford and make-believe that there is an academic rivalry between Berkeley and the school across the Bay is not only laugh out loud funny, but is also harmful to the school in general. Berkeley students are deluding themselves about the quality of education they are recieving and are hence preventing any significant improvements in the undergrad system from ever occuring."</p>

<p>-It's a rivalry, twit, not a hatred. It's a tradition that's been going on for over a 100 years. I already answered the academic part.</p>

<p>"After all, one can think that "If my school competing with the likes of Stanford, then things here are doing pretty good." </p>

<p>-And that's why Virginia Tech has a rivalry with UVA right? Your opinions are garbage, and you lack knowledge of Stanford/Cal's history.</p>

<p>"In reality, however, I feel like the situation is not unlike the rivalry between the United States and the old Soviet Union. Sure on the surface it may seem like the Soviet Union is somewhat decent, but lo and behold their entire infrastructure was crumbling apart before their very eyes, and their "rivalry" with the United States only served to bankrupt their already wheezing economy. In the end, the Soviet Union fell...and fell HARD. If only they paid more attention to domestic issues rather than trying to mask all their troubles behind the facade of a "rivalry" did they have a chance to survive. The only difference here is that Berkeley does not even have the prestige of the former Soviet Union. At least the Soviet Union had the APPEARANCE of a real head-to-head rivalry, but Berkeley doesn't even have THAT."</p>

<p>-I believe someone else responded to your odd analogy.</p>

<p>"Anyway, in the end I would encourage all you Berkeleyans to lay off the rivalry, stick that Stanford rejection letter in the back drawer, and get on with your lives. There's no need to over-compensate by pretending that your backup school is up to par with your dream school. Who cares if you didn't get in? There's always graduate school."</p>

<p>-I didn't apply to Stanford. Berkeley IS on par with Stanford, and yes, there is always graduate school. </p>

<p>-NOW, HERE'S AN EXCERPT FROM ONE OF GUTRADE'S PREVIOUS POSTS:</p>

<p>"You can get a good education anywhere you go......including state and community colleges. The only thing that sets schools like Stanford and Harvard apart from schools like Berkeley and Chico State is the prestige and recognition of going to the best school in the world vs going to a run-of-the-mill school. I'm sure the same mathematical concepts and works of literature are taught at all colleges in America. But a Harvard or Stanford diploma is just seen in a much different light than one from a regular school."</p>

<p>-Berkeley is ranked number 2 in the WORLD according to the London Times. SO YOU CONTRADICTED YOURSELF. Go to a forum at your level, where you won't get pimp-slapped. Try : <a href="http://www.network54.com/Forum/68552%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://www.network54.com/Forum/68552&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p>

<p>I think this guy is full of it, anyway. He keeps talking about his Yale likely letter, but he doesn't even post in the Yale forums.</p>

<p>Wow I love flame wars so much. Keep it up guys.</p>

<p>thats why i started this tread...</p>

<p>If all Berkelians are angered Stanford rejects (even if they didn't apply), then Gutrade must be nothing more than an angered Harvard reject (even if he didn't apply)! Surely, Gutrade is just venting his anger on Berkeley people because he can't attend the prestigious HARVARD UNIVERSITY.</p>

<p>What are u talking about?</p>

<p>"Stanfurd's ONLY VISIBLE ASIAN, and greatest success story is Jerry Yang, founder of Yahoo. However, he used to kiss Mayasoshi Son's ass for ownership of Yahoo (Mayasoshi Son owned Yahoo initially through his venture capital conglomerate Softbank) like an obedient little concubine, so all you Stanfurd jokesters should know your place."</p>

<p>You're a tool. I knew Jerry Yang personally because my own dad was his cubicle mate at Stanford Engineering. If you really believe that investors deserve credit for the concept of the search engine, which Jerry invented, then go to Wharton and get your ass out of the public school system.</p>