<p>wow zsurf....you tell them. Though I dont agree with you completely, I do think that there is an inferiority complex within some of these kids. neways, I know i'm gonna get bashed for this...bring it on, I dont mind.</p>
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<p>I find this whole quote the pinnacle of poor taste. I transferred for very good familial and financial reasons, not because I didn't work hard in high school.</p>
<p>"Think of it as playing catch-up for those of us who did all that work while we were still in high school."</p>
<p>This is in equally bad taste. Not all of us had the opportunities, educationally or financially, to allow Stanford. I know people who made it into Stanford, I feel no special need to "play catch-up" with them. They're good students, no doubt; possibly they look better on paper than I, I'll never know, I didn't apply to Stanford, because I knew I couldn't afford it. Stanford and Berkeley are both excellent institutions of higher education, both admit exemplary students, both admit not-so-exemplary students for one reason or another. But don't be so arrogant as to think yourself the "better student" because you made it in. Use the opportunities that you have been so fortunate to receive, don't downplay the accomplishments of others you know nothing about.</p>
<p>BackToReality</p>
<p>dam....that was a back hand bit** slap.</p>
<p>For the record, I didn't apply to Stanford because I did not see it as my perfect experience to begin with. I only applied to schools I felt I would enjoy the time at, not those that were ranked high per se. I was one of the top students in LACCD, so there was a good chance for me to get into Stanford (I got into Columbia for goodness sake.) I just had no desire to go there.</p>
<p>Pinnacle of poor taste? UCLAri, I understand you must have worked very hard in any 4 year institution to have succeeded out of a JC. Most who leave JC with associate degrees transfer into 4 year colleges (the UCs for example) as sophomores, or as lagging juniors. That is simply the difference in rigor between the UCs and JCs. To graduate as a JC transfer in a top UC like UCLA is commendable. As for my initial reply, it was directed at West Sidee and his "private schools are for rich kids with zero work ethic" attitude.</p>
<p>Edit: BackToReality, I feel your decision, while personal, was not 100% objective in terms of "value." With bank accounts much fatter than those of the admittedly cash-strapped UCs (Arnold's deficit trimming), many private schools are presenting themselves as MORE affordable than UCs. I know students who are considering private schools over the UCs (California residents), because with all the FAFSA money they received in grants (not loans), private institutions are actually more affordable. I understand that you may have wanted to go to a UC over any other school, but it doesn't mean other schools weren't potentially just as affordable, if not more.</p>
<p>If they don't have inferiority complex, why Berkeley's board seems to have A LOT more cheerleading, complains about "injustice" of US News' undergrad ranking, and bashing against others to validate themselves...etc? What's up with the Asian superiority (or inferiority?) complex shown on this board also?</p>
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<p>UCs...UCs...UCs...there is no such thing as "UCALs"</p>
<p>zsurf,</p>
<p>These days, I would've probably gone to a private. Back then, the money was different. </p>
<p>Still, to call the UCs "cash strapped" is a bit heavy handed when you consider the fact that Cal and UCLA have sizeable endowments to work with, and receive more research money than Sagan had stars to look at. But I see your point.</p>
<p>zsurf,</p>
<p>For some people, yes, the private schools are more affordable. If you are in certain brackets (as I am), they are not. You can end up in a place where FAFSA says you have absolutely no need, and yet going to a private college would be financial suicide. Again, both school are excellent institutions, and some private colleges were willing to pay me extraordinary merit scholarships, but I chose to attend the college which would give me the greatest opportunity.</p>
<p>Additionally, I apologize if my response sounded harsh, I was not involved in the earlier parts of the thread, and so cannot gauge what you were responding to. I was responding to a single post. Again, I apologize.</p>
<p>BackToReality</p>
<p>"If they don't have inferiority complex, why Berkeley's board seems to have A LOT more cheerleading, complains about "injustice" of US News' undergrad ranking, and bashing against others to validate themselves...etc? What's up with the Asian superiority (or inferiority?) complex shown on this board also?"</p>
<p>Good Point</p>
<p>Let's be honest here...everyone who isn't studying at Harvard has an inferiority complex. </p>
<p>That's what being the oldest and having 20 billion dollars does for you.</p>
<p>Everyone who isn't the Yankees has a complex.</p>
<p>Everyone who isn't EA has a complex.</p>
<p>Everyone who isn't Bill Gates wonders what kinds of complexes he has.</p>
<p>what do u mean by 'EA?'</p>
<p>Electronic Arts. They're the largest producer of video games in America, and I think the world. Suffice it to say, they are the benchmark.</p>
<p>There are too many cross admits from HYPMS for any of them to develop inferiotiy complexes. When alot (a quarter or above) of people who applied have been admitted to Harvard and choose to go to your school.</p>
<p>^ Well, actually, most HYS students I found have inferiority complexes about their SAT score when I speak with them. MIT n Cal tech is cool with me cus without engineering and research, you really have nothing. </p>
<p>As long as they support affirmative action in the sciences (if they have good conceptual ability and lack in memorization or grammar) humanities and cultural arts for purposes of building this nation stronger than ever via the CALIFORNIA WAY, I'll let their egos continue.</p>
<p>so stanford and berkeley are about even just depends on what you want?</p>
<p>If Stanford and Berkeley were about even, you'd have an equal number of cross-admits at both schools. There are virtually no cross-admits attending Berkeley. In light of that, I would say that Stanford is out of Berkeley's league. </p>
<p>It doesn't necessarily mean that Berkeley is a bad school. It's pretty good in its own right. But you can't compare it to one of the best universities in the world. I personally feel that my 2003 Volkswagen is an awesome car, but I know I can't compare it to a Ferrari. Anyway, all in all Berkeley can't compete with HYS. Good football team though.</p>
<p>better than uci/csuf, thats for sure</p>
<p>have fun as an anteater or titan</p>
<p>Pretty good? Dude, say what you will about Stanfurd being the better institution (although I still don't know how you'd have a clue) but to say that Cal is only "pretty good" is beyond stupidity. Just for the sake of argument, lets say you're right about stanfurd being better. Say stanfurd is in the top 2 or 3 schools in the world. By any mesure Cal is still in the top 15 to 20. So being better then 95% of the schools in the world only makes you "pretty good," just because its not the absolute best? Witnessing the way your mind works goes a long way towards explaining why you at a community college rather then Cal or stanfurd.</p>