<p>Please forgive me if this question has been asked before, but I was wondering whether public universities ever post separate admission statistics for their accepted OOS applicants.</p>
<p>For example, UNC Chapel Hill has an SAT range of 1200-1400 for its entire body of freshmen, but because OOS students were allowed to comprise less than 20% of the student body, thus making admission for OOS students far more competitve, I don't see how the OOS range would be anywhere close to that. Does anyone know if UNC or any other schools publish separate statistics for their OOS students?</p>
<p>Even if you don’t know the answer to what I’m asking, does someone at least know what I’m talking about, or at least share a desire to know the same information?</p>
<p>ww,
Your question is excellent and one that we were wondering when my D was applying to OOS publics several years ago. I don’t recall finding any separate stats about admitted OOS students. Even the UNC-CH figure giving the percent OOS accepted is rare and only occurs because they have a state mandate not to admit more than 20%. Other schools lump the OOS and instate students in their % accepted number, though you might be able to figure it out from their Common Data Set report.</p>
<p>Sorry I can’t be of any help. The only thing I can recommend for the top publics is to figure that you have to be in the upper range of the entering class profile, perhaps top 25%, to be a competitive OOS student. Just a rule of thumb, but since the numbers only count for so much, it’s probably as exact as is necessary.</p>
<p>I’ve often thought that would be really useful data to have. In fact, I think in-state/out-of-state should be a category in the Stats Profile College Search on this web site. Then even if the schools don’t publish the data, we could at least see how it plays out on CC.</p>
<p>It would be interesting info to have but it does not appear to be readily available. Public colleges generally do not publish their admission rates for OOS or provide separate stats for them. Also, in evaluating the issue you cannot really focus on rules like a 20% limit for OOS at UNC. That means its student body can have up to 20% OOS but tells you nothing about an admission rate. For example, if only 20% of the applicants to UNC are OOS and 20% of those admitted end up being OOS then OOS admission rate is probably very close to what it is for in-state. To give an example, UIUC’s freshman class is usually about 7% OOS (and another 7% international), but its admission rate for OOS is actually very close to what it is for in-state (which is usually close to an overall 66% admission rate). What has happened is that only 7 to 8% of those who apply are OOS.</p>
<p>Some colleges do provide minimums that OOS must meet just to be considered for admission in GPA/test scores when they are higher than OOS – the UCs are a prime example of that.</p>
<p>It’s hard to say. While UNC probably has a lower admit rate for it’s OOS students, it probably also has a much lower yield for it’s OOS students–reason being that if they can get into UNC out of state, they likely can get into many other top schools. Therefore, it’s likely that while the admit rate is lower than the overall rate, it’s not as much as we think.</p>
<p>UCs publish their admission rates for OOS - and for Berkeley and UCLA they are the slightly higher than the rates for instate applicants. But what they don’t publish separately are GPA/SAT stats for OOS vs. instate. So the OOS admit rate is a little higher, but for all we know the average OOS stats are a LOT higher. We just don’t know.</p>
<p>What is the point of applying to OOS public schools when you have to pay nearly the same tuition as you would at a private schools but with huge class sizes? How is the FA for OOS students?</p>
<p>Public universities generally do not guarantee to meet 100% of financial need. What you can get based on need can be decent or not so depending on university and student. Some, for higer qualified OOS will provide merit aid in the form of total or partial forgiveness of the OOS portion of tuition so that the OOS pays the in-state rate or something closer to it. Nevertheless, most are going to be paying the OOS rate or a significant portion of it. Why would people do that? Many reasons, including: the parents may have gone to that school; your choosing Michigan, Berkeley, or Illinois for engineering over you home state college; the other state’s college is actually significantly closer to your home than your own; in some cases the price difference between your in-state college and paying out-of-state elsewhere can be minimal.</p>
<p>And some top publics (Michigan, UVA, UNC-CH) have full tution + R&B + perks scholarships for the very top students. I’m not trying to say that this is common (quite the contrary), but is a very valid reason that some students apply to and attend an OOS public.</p>
<p>“…the OOS admit rate is a little higher, but for all we know the average OOS stats are a lot higher…”</p>
<p>Yeah, that’s what troubles me. I actually did manage to come across a copy of UVA’s admission numbers and percentages, and OOS applicants were admitted at a rate not too much lower than in-state. But again, for all I know, those OOS applicants may have had much stronger admission stats.</p>
<p>Does anyone have any general advice? Would SAT/ACT/GPA stats above the 75% constitute a fair chance?</p>
<p>You have a chances at any out of state university, though depending on it’s prestige it will be hard to conclude your admission chance… unless your talking about a private.</p>