<p>HAHA..
Oh lordy.. It's not even been a year.. and they ALREADY dropped out?</p>
<p>And those two are just attached by the hips aren't they.....</p>
<p>My D saw one of the twins going to class last week so I wouldn't believe those drop-out rumors if I were you. :)</p>
<p>is it more difficult to get accepted into a good law school after undergrad business than after a liberal arts major? i have heard that it is difficult to get a high GPA when in undergrad business.</p>
<p>Supervil,</p>
<p>My point was, b-school in general is overrated...I used to help interview candidates at my previous job. I've never took a formal b-school class in my life and I've eaten Wharton kids for lunch on interviews that test one's knowledge of financial concepts...seriously, these guys spend a couple years learning finance, and can't do a DCF analysis any better than an english major from Georgetown who spent $20 on a Vault book and learned the stuff over a weekend. Why spend 4 years of your life and a ton of your parents money learning something that can be taught better once you're on the job...its the ultimate ineffeciency, kind of ironic since the concept of efficeincy is probably one of the first things that any b-school student learns. </p>
<p>Someone enthusiastic about business or making money doesn't have to study it in college....invest, open a tradesports.com account, get an internship in the field, there are ton of things, but don't be one dimensional (or appear that way), thus for someone like you, a double major in a liberal arts field might help, as would playing sports (shows you can function on a team). Wall street firms know that what you learn in b-school is very different from how the real world works, for that reason, very little, if any premium is put on a business major over a liberal arts major, unless you are talking about a specialized field like accounting. Stuff like finance or marketing is very simple and can easily be learned, probably even better taught on the job since its more hands on. </p>
<p>-NYU class of '00</p>
<p>Carmen,</p>
<p>I would be of the opinion that its much easier to get into a good law school coming from a liberal arts background. Law schools are very reading and writing intensive, things more characteristic of liberal arts concentrations. I would venture that most students at top law schools majored in a liberal arts field. </p>
<p>Out of my NYU friends, I know one person from Stern who went to law school, and he's going in the evening part time while working, and the law school is not what would be considered a top school (Cardozo in NY). Out of my CAS friends I can think of offhand, one is at Northwestern currently, I know one who graduated from NYU law last year, one who graduated St. Johns a couple years back, and one is applying to law schools now (top choice is either Cornell or Duke, smart guy, I'm sure he'll end up somewhere good).</p>
<p>if your going into business or corporate law i would think business college would be vastly better than liberal arts</p>
<p>apply to SSW. it's awesome.</p>
<p>or consider Uganda National Community College - Commerce Department</p>
<p>UNCC is awesome too</p>
<p>Thats not true Matti. Top law schools are very reading and writing intensive (even corporate law classes)..its the type of subject matter that is better prepared for with what liberal arts grads have studied than business school grads. There isn't a top law school in the country that prefers business majors to liberal arts majors; liberal arts majors are clearly preferred by top law schools if you look at the undergrad feeders to these places. I don't think undergrad business schools are top feeders to any highly regarded law school (where corporate lawyers tend to graduate from). The corporate lawyers in Manhattan I know have pretty much all studied liberal arts in college. Even when I look at my friends from NYU, CAS grads I know are in top law schools at numbers much higher than the Stern grads I know...even when you account for the size difference of the 2 schools and fact that more CAS people apply. </p>
<p>Example--here are the undergrad schools attended by people at Georgetown Law, there are actual breakdowns of NYU by school....CAS has the most, there is nobody from Stern, and even Tisch has people:</p>
<p>Here is what Harvard Law School says about it:</p>
<p>Those subjects listed there are all liberal arts majors...clearly the Harvard Law faculty feels they are better preparation for law school than "practical" majors such as business.</p>
<p>but if i minored in a liberal art such as philosophy, and had a strong business double major, thatd be worse than just taking for philosophy, when applying to law school? (not saying im going to actually go into law tho, just want to like have my options open when i graduate)</p>
<p>I am a graduate of Stern ugrad. Please don't listen to what jwblue says, he is probably someone jealous of Stern. This guy is feeding you all a load of total crap.
Stern for one, is one of the best ugrad schools in the country period, on par with the Ivies, and much better than any other school at NYU. Next, the finance major is extremely rigorous. Most classes, the test average is in the 60 or 70s because exams are so difficult. In addiition, there is a rough curve, unlike in liberal arts where anyone can get an A easily. In many classes, especially in finance, the highest grade handed out is a B, and in a typical class, only people who have performed in the top 10% of the past few years get an A level grade. With regards to law school, this will defintely hurt your gpa , but the preparation you will recieve is invaluable. You'll be competing against liberal arts students who never really had to work hard in college and become shocked at the law school workload and start getting Cs. I have many friends along with me from Stern and Wharton in LS, and we are doing quite well. Lastly, in terms of recruting, NO Ibank or consulting firm will choose a Cas student over a Stern student with a decent gpa (2.8+). Recruiters know how much more rigorous Stern is, as well as the fact that Stern students came in which much higher gpa/SAT than the typical CAS student. In my opinion, I think everyone should consider Stern, as it is one of the best all around ugrad educations you can get (you take numerous liberal arts classes, since it is essentially only 2 yrs worth of business courses) and a Stern degree is extremely well respected around the country. For a rigorous education and great professors and classes and experiences (junior yr you get a free trip to asia, latin america, or europe) I feel Stern is virtually unmatched.</p>
<p>well...Stern looks good to me :)</p>
<p>Yeah, that jwblue is the biggest load of crap and is totally misleading you.</p>
<p>lol well...maybe lolol</p>
<p>thankx nyusternman</p>
<p>by the way, is jwblue trying to advertise his company? what the hell is that online trading sh|t jwblue? you work there?</p>
<p>In addition, I think Stern is only going up. It is second to Wharton overall, but is quickly narrowing the gap. The new Dean is great and I can only see the school's name recognition and prestige going up, especially also now that President Sexton is helping NYU become a more popular school. Also, lucky for you, I have heard that Stern may be doing away with the notorious curve in many of the core classes, in the near future.</p>
<p>I am so confused... i don't know if i should i go to undergrad business (major in finance) or be a math major and minor in english or something. majoring in math will keep my gpa high but majoring in finance probably will not. the thing is that i don't know if i want to go to law school or business school after i graduate. i also think i want to work full time for a year or two before i go to grad school. i would prob get into a better law school if i major in math but i think i will get more job offers coming out of undergrad business. i don't want to decide yet on what i want to do after undergrad and want to keep my options open. any advice?</p>
<p>eh...isn't this too early to think about? but if you are accepted to Stern...go! lol or give me your spot lolol</p>
<p>Carmen, usually when a student is undecided about a major, as you seem to be, the admissions department will recommend applying to CAS. It's difficult to plan, or to know exactly, what you're going to want to do after your undergrad experience, at this point in your life. If you do decide on an MBA, you will not be at a disadvantage if you have a degree from CAS. Current Stern students in the MBA program had a variety of majors, including business, economics, math, engineering, science, social science, arts, and humanities. Most have worked for several years after graduating undergrad, the average is 4.9 years, and the average age is 27. The best thing to do is to study something you're going to enjoy and to do well in your studies.</p>
<p>just curious mom, how do you know so much about admissions? do you work there? since you said this is related to your job?</p>
<p>I will say this: If you know you are going to LS, think heavily about a decision to go to Stern. It is EXTREMELY difficult to get a 3.6+, and after having gone thru admissions, I can tell you a 3.6 is the threshold at top schools. Schools won't care about your major, just the gpa, so it may be wiser to major in econ or history or pol sci at CAS.</p>
<p>thanks for the help</p>