<p>Don't be greedy!!!</p>
<p>Most school don't put as much emphasis on test scores...some don't use them at all!</p>
<p>Honestly, what in the world are you talking about? The OP was making a point that people on CC when reviewing the chances of URMs often reply with very dismissive remarks that are often not very helpful. I have seen this kind of behavior and it really does frustrate people who really want good advice from people on the forums.</p>
<p>Well...what's your advice?</p>
<p>READ. I was talking about chances...</p>
<p>What's your great advice for the the original poster?</p>
<p>lol ***...i mean i guess becker if you dont wanna admit that race is a factor then you can..."dwell in your own ignorance"?...</p>
<p>please define minority here. Asian americans are minority but we get hurt more than caucasians. Only Underrepresented minority gets AA. ORM doesnt</p>
<p>Ok. Get over it. People only say that if you are a URM you have an easier chance of getting in because it is the truth. It is a fact. And that is because of Affirmative Action, those who are URMs have a higher chance of getting into a college than non URMs. How is that implying that URM's are uncapable by themselves? And if you don't like it then don't post your little "Chances threads". You have no one to blame but yourself.</p>
<p>The race of an applicant is a consideration or otherwise colleges would not even inquire about it on an application. It is probably not as large a consideration as some people would like to believe. But colleges want diversity and will seek out URMs. This is not that much different than a college that might "need" a fullback for their football team or a first baseman for their baseball team and will give an advantage to an applicant that fills that need.</p>
<p>Tennisgal, get over yourself. Blame myself for what? Being a minority? I bet you have nothing to worry about huh, life is just a breeze.</p>
<p>Chacha, yes I'm saying that people on this forum make it seem like if your a minority it outweighs everything else. They believe it weighs way much more then it really does.</p>
<p>The thread lost its whole point and I wish people would stop coming in making stupid remarks. If you aren't capable of having a intelligental conversational about a issue then don't say anything at all, all you seem is stupid.</p>
<p>actually..you are the one who seem stupid and dont understand anything</p>
<p>Lol!! ok another one.</p>
<p>whatever man. It's pretty obvious to everyone here that you are an attention seeking troll
have fun taking advantage of AA and then whin about how people are bitter about the racist foundation of AA</p>
<p>WOw taking advantage of AA? omg its people like you that im talking about, I cant believe you just said that. If you would of read, Im aganist AA. WOW</p>
<p>lol can some admin just like make a thread dissapear?</p>
<p>you never said you are against AA.. All you said was you dislike people who take AA into consideration when "chancing" other people. These 2 things are not the sameMaybe you should learn how to convey your thoughts to other people better</p>
<p>What if you're from North Dakota? Doesn't that increase your chances?</p>
<p>ALL OF YOU need to seriously stop speculating on this stuff. Everyone on CC bases everything on "stats" and then complains that "underqualified" individuals get in to Harvard, Yale, Brown, wherever because of their race. DO YOU GUYS ACTUALLY THINK THAT RACE PLAYS A HUGE ROLE IN THE ADMISSIONS PROCESS? DO YOU GUYS REALLY THINK THAT IF HARVARD TOOK ONE LESS BLACK STUDENT YOU'D GET IN INSTEAD OF GETTING WAITLISTED OR DENIED? It really, really does not happen this way at the top schools, largely because the number of URM students applying to these schools is seriously low. In the grand scheme of things, getting rid of affirmative action would not increase any white person's chances of admission to a top school - the effect felt by affirmative action is that minute on the individual, micro level. </p>
<p>If you really think that "stats" are the only thing that's important for going to college, go somewhere and major in statistics and be a troll. When you get in the real world and have to deal with a diverse group of people in a variety of settings, you will be happy that you have had the experience to learn from a racially-diverse faculty and from a racially-diverse student body, peer group, roommate, etc. </p>
<p>Also, remember that not every student has the same opportunities to learn and achieve as others. A black student going to a predominantly white high school - whether it be Exeter or Andover or Central North Dakota High School - is going to be dealing with some psychological and social issues their white peers are not going to be dealing with - much in the same way that a white student attending a predominantly black or Latino high school is going to be dealing with some psychological and social issues their black or Latino peers are not going to be dealing with. As if high school and dealing with the social drama isn't enough, the added pressure that comes from being in the minority in your high school community does affect academic achievement ('stats"), one's learning, and one's development. This is why affirmative action exists...but regardless, NO ONE IS GETTING IN TO TOP COLLEGES AND UNIVERSITIES IN THIS COUNTRY WITHOUT BEING "QUALIFIED" ACADEMICALLY. I've worked at and currently work at some/one of the most selective colleges/universities in this country, and I can tell you this with authority. Yes, admit rates for black and Latino students are higher at these schools, but only because the number of these students who apply is so small. The African American and Latino applicant pools at the most selective colleges in this country are very, very talented but, unfortunately, very, very small (usually because these students aren't getting the guidance and counselling that their white and Asian American peers are getting!). Harvard, Yale, Brown, Stanford, Amherst, Williams, Middlebury, Pomona, Dartmouth, etc...are all competing for the same students of color - students who bring a different perspective to campus and enrich the learning environment in ways white and Asian students (who dominate most highly selective college campuses) do not.</p>
<p>"It really, really does not happen this way at the top schools, largely because the number of URM students applying to these schools is seriously low. In the grand scheme of things, getting rid of affirmative action would not increase any white person's chances of admission to a top school - the effect felt by affirmative action is that minute on the individual, micro level. "</p>
<p>according to a studies by princeton university, 80% of the places that went to URMS would have gone to asians if AA doesnt exist. so yes, you said it wouldnt affect whites chance a lot.. of course it wont. Asians are the ones who get nailed</p>
<p>They also said under AA, these are the equivalents of SAT boosts on the old 1600 scale
Asian -50
white 0
hispanic + 180
black + 230</p>
<p>just put it out there..and as much as most admissions people dont like to admit it, it does affect other people. and most of the people do not dislike AA becoz it affects their chances, at least not me, but because AA itself is a racist thing and it totally goes against all men created equal.</p>