<p>I dont have hostility and bitterness toward OOS. I think the elected officials need to be told to pay more attention to the situation. I do think some people who represent themselves as OOS dont recognize the bargain they have been given and/or arent particularly gracious about it, but I am not bitter. Determined.</p>
<p>It sounds like you are determined to keep OOS students out of SUNYs. Why do they have to recognize the bargain ? Did you ever think that there might be something that these particular students can bring to the school that makes them stand out, and not just because they pay a higher pricetag ? How do you really know the stats of the applicants ?
I think that every round of applications has it's share of disappointments when it comes to admissions , no matter what the school. There are the accusations that people who did get in got favoritism for other things ( i.e race, athletics other "quotas " , etc. )
The truth is, no one really knows how and why one application is chosen over another , unless they are the adcoms themselves.
Your gripes seem like they are based on speculation and assumptions and not necessarily facts.</p>
<p>I am not determined to keep OOS out, I just think the Adcoms should recognize that they are a state institution which receives state funding. Most states dont have the giveaways that NY does. Not nearby ones. Why do NY taxpayers have to pay to educate the metro area??</p>
<p>Of courese there are athletes and URMs, but I presume there are some from NY and some from outside. </p>
<p>As to OSS students who say I dont get anything from NYS -- the statement was not I am deserving of bargain tuition. It was more, I dont recognize it. </p>
<p>As to speculation, that is why I am suggesting that residents contact their elected officials and demand transparency and fairness. Who can argue against transparency? I guess the adcoms. That is there privilidge, but that why I think state residents should contact their elected officials and demand transparency and fairness to IS people.</p>
<p>Excuse me but no i dont feel i am getting some sort of bargain tuition rate. I am not attending Harvard for free. </p>
<p>There are cheaper schools than SUNYs even for out of state students.</p>
<p>If SUNY was more expensive i would go somewhere else btw. I am a transfer from UCLA with a 3.54 so no i dont feel that i am getting some sort of cheap tuition rate and a great bargain from NY state. </p>
<p>there is only 10% of out of state students at stony brook. That is a neglible amount.</p>
<p>You want to make the tuition so high that out of state students do not even apply.</p>
<p>The SUNYs are located in pretty deserted places, even SB is pretty far from the city and not everyone wants to attend the MAJORITY of the SUNY schools considering their location, you do have to take that into consideration. </p>
<p>To keep some diversity on campus having that 10 % out of state is a pretty good bet</p>
<p>And NO i dont think any SUNY can charge 25k for tuition. I mean seriously like i said some of these schools are in the middle of nowhere. Who would pay that kind of money to go there? And what would you be paying for?</p>
<p>If SUNY has to give away spots, then they should be given to NY residents. Many NY residents wont be able to find a spot for 13K in tuition. </p>
<p>As to no one knowing about what goes on at adcom -- they do not operate in a vacuum. In private schoools, they answer to trustees (gee, could this be why alumn kids get preference -- as they are the ones who vote on trustees??). In public Us -- it is the state they answer to.</p>
<p>In these terrible economic times, we dont need geographical diversity that bad (within NY re have real diversity). And I bet the state legislaturers will see it that way if enough NY residents contact them.</p>
<p>Kayf -- There IS a SUNY for any qualified NYS high school graduate who wants to attend. It may not be a given student's FIRST choice, but if they are a qualified applicant they will find a place in the first year class somewhere. Most NYS public high school guidance counselors are very clear when working with students who want to attend one of the public colleges or universities that they need to apply to multiple schools (safeties, matches and reaches) if they want to attend a SUNY. Any student who applies ONLY to Binghamton or Geneseo -- regardless of their GPA and standardized test scores -- takes the risk of not having any SUNY to attend. In cases like this the blame is the applicant's....not the OOS student who is also applying to a highly selective SUNY.</p>
<p>HV, I dont disagree that children should apply across a spectrum. The issue is are IS getting pushed to the less selective SUNYs (and then in turn others getting pushed from the less selective sunys to CC)? </p>
<p>Admission to less selective SUNYs is not the same as to Binghamton or Gen., we all know that. </p>
<p>Yes, it is “nice” to have more OOS %, but in these terrible terrible economic times I dont think we can afford that. I dont think the Adcom people really understand how bad the economy is. I dont think it will be any better next year. I think the SUNYs will also see an increase in transfers. Again, I can afford a private college, many others can not. Please dont blame the poor IS student for this situation. </p>
<p>That is why I am again asking all IS people to demand that their elected officials demand the SUNY disclose, BY INSTITUTION, the IS v. OOS admit stats. Its not that hard to do. As to people who say, yes there are URMs, athletes etc. Yes there are, both IS and OOS. Disclosing the admit stats by institution is only fair. IS people, pls contact your elected officials and demand this.</p>
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<p>what ever else you want to accuse the suny administration of, this is one that i just don’t think holds any weight. they’ve been dealing with huge budget cuts. they’ve been dealing with skyrocketing applications. they probably know better than you do what is going on with the economy. it is affecting their very ability to what they do.</p>
<p>you may not like what you think they are doing (you’ve been strong on assumptions and weak on facts). you may have your own agenda as an upset taxpayer (which seems to be your key agenda, not concern for the quality of the sunys). but don’t presume that suny adcoms don’t know what is going on in the economy. (if nothing else, after suny voted in the tuition increase and the state swooped in to take 90% of it away, i think they got a pretty good idea of the state of the economy.) </p>
<p>just because they may have a different long term view of the economy than you do – and perhaps even believe that supporting quality education may be important for the future of the economy, don’t presume that they don’t know what is going on. failure to conform with your agenda does not demonstrate a lack of knowledge.</p>
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<p>again, you make presumptions without basis.</p>
<p>information about the suny budget cuts are readily available if you really care about it – but from your prior responses to my prior postings about the budget cuts, i have come to conclusion that you probably don’t. </p>
<p>i have to be honest, for a while i just couldn’t understand why someone who claimed to care about the sunys and the value of a suny diploma wouldn’t be more concerned about the budget cuts and the state retention of the tuition increase, but since i now realize that your primary concern is as an upset taxpayer, i guess it makes more sense – you’re probably glad the state found someplace to make cuts (and grab back some more money) regardless of the impact it’ll have on the educational quality at the sunys.</p>
<p>i’m not going to try to respond by offering you any more facts – i’ve tried that before and they made no impression on you – you don’t seem to allow facts to stand in the way of your opinions – and you are correct, you are entitled to you opinions. and i hope you continue to clearly identify your opinions as such, rather than going back to claiming facts that you have no support for as you were doing when you started your whole rant.</p>
<p>When I spoke about the terrible, terrible economy, I was referring to people losing, or concerned about losing, their jobs, their houses. </p>
<p>Possibly if SUNYs cared more about residents and taxpayers, they would have more support. When I read here where people are told of scholarships for OSS only, and Adcom/Finaid people saying they will make certain OSS pay the same as IS, it does raise concerns. </p>
<p>The state apparently wanted SUNYs to cut costs, not transfer costs to students. There is a difference. </p>
<p>FYI, I do care about education, and have always voted for school and library budgets. What I am asking for is transparency and fairness. You can keep with the personal attacks, but it wont change anything. </p>
<p>Residents in CT, Pa, and NJ can look to their own state schools or NY SUNYs for a school with tuition of less than 15K. Kids in NY can only look to SUNYs. Many families are facing EFCs that they can not handle. As to your providing more facts, which you choose not to, unless you are an adcom or state official, the facts that matter are not public. But should be.</p>
<p>kayf I just want to take this time to tell you that I was accepted into SUNY Buffalo and Stony Brook and I will be definately attending as an OOS. :)</p>
<p>Really, I just wanted to thank your parents who work so hard to pay their taxes so I can get an education in NY. 
I love how it works really. Please try to do something about it.</p>
<p>Please treat your parents kindly. I need them to stay in work so they can continue to pay for more than half of my tuition. kkthx</p>
<p>For anyone new to this thread, Chris is referring to the fact that SUNYs give bargain OOS tuition. 13k for flagship schools. Again, calling all IS, please contact your local elected officials and tell them</p>
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<li><p>SUNY should disclose, on an institution by institution basis, the admit stats of IS v. OOS. The SUNYs do disclose this by institution (SATs/GPS) – so please dont say they dont matter. OOS should not be given admit preference. </p></li>
<li><p>SUNY should charge market rates for OOS. Binghamton, SB, Buffalo and Gen should charge what Penn State and Rutgers do for OOS. North of 20K.</p></li>
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<p>I hope you realize the reason why the tuition is so slow is because the schools aren’t top notch compared to other state schools out there.</p>
<p>Stony Brook may have some awesome graduate programs but have you visited? These schools aren’t “flagship”.</p>
<p>Making people pay more for what they offer is basically ripping people off. And seriously, raising the prices will do the schools no good. Once the prices go up, which out of state students will really want to attend then? When no OOS student wants to attend, the school loses money and then what?</p>
<p>The adcom people are going to have to go back to the drawing board and figure out something that works. Maybe a compromise – 10K tuiition for instate with more scholarships for instate. What isnt working is lack of transparency and fairness.</p>
<p>I think everyone is working just fine. :)</p>
<p>As an IS prospective student, I would have to disagree with you, kay. I think that IS students actually have the advantage, as there is no real evidence of “lower” OOS GPAs or SATs. No person with an 80+ GPA has ever gotten rejected from a SUNY from my high school, at least based on the statistics of the last 2 classes. I’ve yet to see an OOS have poor grades and get admitted, though I have seen the Adcoms on here notify OOS students of acceptances earlier than IS students. That’s as far as this “OOS favoritism” I’ve seen goes.</p>
<p>wli – there are plenty of kids with 80+ gpa getting rejecting this year. PLenty</p>
<p>First, most people are not rejected yet, they are deferred. Which is why your whole letter writing campaign now is so mind-boggling stupid.</p>
<p>And yes, someone with an 80+ average will get rejected from some SUNY’s like Binghamton but there is another school that will take them, I am sure. But they would have been rejected in past years as well. My daughter had a 92 average 4 years ago and ended up being told that Binghamton would take her in the spring. She ended up at Albany and was very happy there.</p>
<p>It is not possible for one school to accept every qualified student. Qualified with numbers alone is never enough. Someone with a 4.0 has to be rejected</p>
<p>In hard economic times state schools increase OOS acceptances to get more funds. </p>
<p>Aside from SUNY there is CUNY also for NY residents. </p>
<p>What percentage of applicants to SUNY are actually out of state relative to acceptances.</p>
<p>kayf – Just curious about your stance regarding charging “market rates.” Do you also support chraging “market rates” for In-state students? You’ve got to admit that an annual tuition rate of $4,970 for a SUNY education is dirt cheap compared to what in-state students are paying at most other state schools on the Eastern seaboard (with the exception of Florida, North Carolina and West Virginia). </p>
<p>Also, in regard to “market rates”, do you find anything odd about how it costs the same to attend a “flagship” university such as Binghamton and Stony Brook as it does to attend a 3rd or 4th tier SUNY college like Farmingdale or Cortland? In Pennsylvania, for example, tuition and fees for an in-state student at Penn State is $14,426 (more than the OOS charge at Stony Brook), whereas tuitions and fees at Shippensburg State is $7,099. Another example: In-State tuition and fees at the University of Virginia is $9,490, while at the University of Mary Washington it is $6,774.</p>
<p>In contrast, take a look at the in-state tuition and fees for these SUNYs: Stony Brook ($6,430), Binghamton ($6,692), Geneseo ($6,253), Cortland (6,145), Oneonta ($6,230), Fredonia ($6,208). Tuition is the same at all 4-year SUNYs, whether it’s U Buffalo or Farmingdale. The differences are accounted for by fees only.</p>
<p>So, I’m curious as to how comprehensive your adherence to a “market-driven” education is? Would you consider supporting a letter-writing campaign advocating more autonomy for the SUNYs so that they could charge what the market would bear to both in-state and OOS students? Would you also support a letter-writing campaign urging the politicians to let the SUNYs keep 100% of any tuition increases in the future?</p>