<p>from Wikipedia - other notable St. John’s alumni</p>
<p>Joseph P. Addabbo- U.S. Representative from New York (1961-1986)
Ron Artest - NBA Basketball Player
Bruce R. Bent - Inventor of first Money Market Fund
Walter Berry - NBA Basketball Player
Anthony Joseph Bevilacqua - Cardinal and Archbishop of Philadelphia
Ron Brown - U.S. Secretary of Commerce
Hugh Carey - Governor of New York
Lou Carnesecca - Hall of Fame Basketball Coach
William J. Casey - Director of the Central Intelligence Agency
John Corvino - Professor of Philosophy at Wayne State
Mario Cuomo - Governor of New York
Nickolas Davatzes - Former President and CEO of the A&E Network
George Deukmejian - Governor of California
Alexander A. Farrelly - Governor of the U.S. Virgin Islands
Paul J. Feiner - Town Supervisor, Greenburgh, New York
Mike Francesa - Sportscaster
John Franco - former Baseball player who was captain for the New York Mets.
Bill Gaudette - MLS Professional Soccer Player
Matt Groenwald - MLS Professional Soccer Player
Zendon Hamilton - American Professional Basketball Player in Europe, former NBA player
Craig Hansen - MLB Professional Baseball
Darryl “Showtime" Hill
Mark Jackson - NBA Basketball Player
Shalrie Joseph - MLS Professional Soccer Player
Raymond W. Kelly - New York City Police Commissioner
Shaunte King - Trade Accountant, GMP Blotter Specialist
Stanley David Levison - Lawyer, Activist and Advisor to Rev. Dr. Martin Luther King Jr.
Darryl “D.M.C.” McDaniels - Co-founder of legendary hip-hop group Run-D.M.C.
Al McGuire - NCAA Men’s Basketball Coach and Sports Commentator
Chris Mullin - NBA Basketball Player
Diarmuid F. O’Scannlain - Judge, United States Court of Appeals for the Ninth Circuit
Harvey Pitt - Chairman of the U.S. Securities and Exchange Commission
Charles B. Rangel - U.S. Congressman
Howie Schwab - Star of ESPN’s Stump the Schwab
Malik Sealy - NBA Basketball Player
Bob Sheppard - Sports Announcer for the New York Yankees, “Voice of the Yankees”
Ron Silver - Tony Award-winning Actor
Keeth Smart - Olympic Fencer and first American to reach #1 world ranking
Peter J. Tobin - Chief Financial Officer of The Chase Manhattan Corporation
Daniel P. Tully - Chairman Emeritus and CEO of Merrill Lynch & Co., Inc.[1]
Frank Viola - Professional baseball player
Bill Wennington - NBA Basketball Player and Author
Jayson Williams - NBA Basketball Player and Author
Chris Wingert - MLS Professional Soccer Player</p>
<p>iamhere, I wasn’t saying that Geneseo or UB is tipping the scale of instate vs. out of state. Just making the point that Geneseo is tough for anyone to get into, and I was talking about a specific program at UB which is an anomaly among similar public u programs. (In that program, I’m very sure the admits for OOS far exceed 7% as applicants from around the country are vying for few spots. We were surprised, but not affected, as she was accepted to UB but is not likely to go there.) </p>
<p>I think that SUNY stats are a reflection of the applicant pool, not a planned preference for instate or OOS students. Most people are just not going to apply from OOS due to lack of info/interest, access to good schools in their own states, and the weather! But, I think it would help put this endless debate to rest if SUNY would just come out and say they would enroll a certain percentage of instate kids as all the other public U’s we looked at did. To say nothing just leaves them open to criticism and dissection based on anecdotal evidence. These are very tough times for alot of people and it’s perfectly understandable to expect that people are going to want to hoard the lower cost college options that they have helped create. Especially if they’re not likely to be getting alot of merit or need based aid elsewhere.</p>
<p>I have no problem with out of state kids coming to SUNY - welcome to NY, it’s an amazing state to live in! I just wish we had enough space to accomodate all of the NY’ers and the OOS kids who want to be here!</p>
<p>does it really make sense to set a limit when the percentage of OOS is already so self-limiting? i can’t imagine how a minimum percentage for IS students could be set higher than it already is at most suny’s.</p>
<p>doonvarn, iamhere and sk8rmom – Thanks for the info on St. John’s. I know it’s off subject to ask about it on this Thread but actually reading the thread has convinced me that we absolutely need to keep St. John’s high on the list. </p>
<p>With all of the budget problems and the potential for negative attitudes and resentment towards Out of State students at the SUNYS – I’ve convinced my daughter that we have to look at all of the schools. St. John’s was low on the list because she has decided not to specifically major in Pharmacy, it’s rated as as Tier 3 school on US News and Report and she has many other options. </p>
<p>So…while we will still have Binghamton and Stony Brook on the list as they are both excellent schools this thread has helped us to definitely decide to explore other options. Sounds like we definitely need to visit St. John’s!</p>
<p>Lots of impressive alumni on the list doonvarn – what major were you considering?</p>
<p>I am planning on being an english major with a concentration on writing. So I might also major in communications. Not sure but definitely liberal arts. They money I got from St. Johns is really attractive and I know it is a solid education.</p>
<p>iamhere - The point of stating a limit is to let the taxpayers know definitively what the status is. NYS loves to create publicly funded agencies with no oversight/accountability and little control or reporting. Taxpayers are tired of this and just want to know what they’re buying into - SUNY, Thruway Authority, whatever! This is especially true when hosts of new taxes and fees are being proposed and services are being cut. People always become suspicious of the areas where little is known/said - human nature, I guess.</p>
<p>AdvicePlease, I truly doubt anyone from oos would find an iota of animosity at any SUNY over the residency thing. The HS kids certainly don’t feel that everyone has a right to go to Geneseo/Binghamton and around here (Central/Northern NY) they’re commonly accepted as schools for the best and brightest, regardless of residency. I don’t think the admission standards have changed in any drastic way, there’s just a bigger applicant pool the last few years, and the kids are well aware of that. It’s just a fact of life, not a call to arms! Good luck to you and your D in evaluating her options.</p>
<p>They created the Lottery on the premise of funding education, but education is the first thing they cut from the budget! They also cut funding for Empire State Games, which is all about young people. As you’ll note from the reader comments, this is probably going to get ugly.</p>
<p>Also, now UB wants to be removed from SUNY and any possible oversight from Albany!</p>
<p>kayf’s complaint isn’t something I’ve ever encountered in real life, and seems to have no basis at all in reality. My anecdata (certainly just as valid as kayf’s conclusions made from CC posters’ reported stats) tells me that Stony Brook’s OOS students are highly qualified, interesting, smart, successful people who I’m glad to have as classmates. Some of them do have merit scholarships that reduce their costs to in-state levels, but most of the in-state students I know with similar high school accomplishments have at least half tuition scholarships. Seems fair to me.</p>
<p>There is no resentment whatsoever toward OOS students at Stony Brook. None. The only time in-state vs. OOS has even come up in my conversations lately was in the context of expressing sympathy and decrying the tuition increase made for OOS students on ridiculously short notice (there was an in-state tuition increase too, but the OOS increase was bigger and more burdensome given the lack of warning). And I’m sure my friends and I who are planning a Stony Brook –> NJ –> Massachusetts –> Ithaca –> Ohio –> Chicago grand tour of people’s home towns road trip after graduation just loathe the out of staters among us!</p>
<p>On St. John’s-I did not apply, but I am a double legacy (the only school I have legacy at actually) It is a very commuter school. When my parents went in the 80’s there were no dorms, so those are a very recent addition and I can see where most students still live at home. Also, I’m not one to say an area is bad, but depending where you’re from, Jamaica can be a huge difference. Basically, my mom said and no offense to anyone “You’re too white to live in Jamaica”. It’s not a good area. I was born right around there and we moved shortly after because my parents heard someone get shot in front of our house. My grandparents lived around there until recently and my parents say it’s a bit better, but still made me and my fifteen year old brother walk together.
But from what I’ve heard of the school itself, it’s good. My father has done extremely well for himself but started without any scholarship money and nearly didn’t graduate. My mother is a retired teacher who occasionally subs, but was given a full scholarship. So you be the judge on that. That could just be my parents.</p>
<p>The 1980s were a long time ago and there are definitely dorms at St. John’s. We will visit Binghamton next weekend and St. John’s in mid-March. I’ve heard that it is thought of as a commuter campus but they have lots of dorms now…even if most students commute.</p>
<p>Many of the Philadelphia schools are in economically struggling “bad” neighborhoods … University of Pennsylvania, Temple University, Drexel. My daughter knows how to be careful and aware of her environment. As for your “too white” comment…while you may be sincere in your comment that you don’t want to offend anyone I think the comment is offensive. </p>
<p>Thanks for your comments…I really appreciate the opinion of the school by those who are familiar with it!</p>
<p>I know there are dorms, I said they were a recent addition.</p>
<p>And I was completely serious about the area. If you choose to be offended by harmless comments (that were made about myself not you) that’s up to you.</p>
<p>Let me thank everyone here on CC who has helped identify SUNY admission and funding issues and, more importantly, encouraged me to communicate with elected officials. I spoke face to face this weekend with several NY State Senators and Assemblymen/women, including a member of the Higher Education Committees. As they are in constant communication with SUNY’s Government Affairs officer, they are well aware of SUNY funding issues. They all appeared sympathetic, but the entire state budget was affected by our economic problems. Constituents and interested groups are complaining about cuts in K-12 education, property tax offsets, health care, etc. If they have decided how to divide up the NY part of the Stimulus package, they weren’t telling me. </p>
<p>As to In-State v. Out-of-State Admit data, by institution, they did not seem familiar with the issue. I briefly explained the differential between IS and OOS tuition, as compared with the surrounding states, PA, CT and NJ, and gave my thoughts as to issues of transparency and fairness, and that until such is obtained autonomy for the SUNYs is problematic. That the SUNYs could increase tuition for OOS by a small amount, and increase OOS %; thereby increasing their own revenue at the expense of IS students, who can not attend nearby OOS schools at a cost similar to what SUNYs charge. That the SUNY tag line – there is a SUNY for everyone – does not address who gets to go to which SUNY, and it is important to be able to see admit data by institution. That there should not be OOS scholarships, unless funding comes from donations from outside persons designating such use. (Again, the SUNY admit stats should be disclosed separately by college, and should exclude EOP students - otherwise EOP isn’t really offering any benefits). The elected officials appeared sympathetic, and did not understand why, if overall admit data is disclosed, IS and OOS could not be disclosed and subject to audit.</p>
<p>Again, my sincerest thanks to all the CC people, including the moderators.</p>