Super Scores/ OOS SAT scores

Colleges & Universities A-Z University of Virginia
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<p>Does Admissions compare "Super Scores,"
the best sitting, or do they look at all the SAT scores?</p>

<p>Also, any idea if out-of-state SAT scores
are higher than in-state scores -- by much?</p>

<p>Many thanks,</p>

<p>Ottoline</p>

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<p>i’m pretty sure they do best combined score, and oos scores are obviously higher than in state. but when the middle 50% of all the scores is in the 1400s…</p>

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<p>Actually hazelorb mispoke. According to College board the “miiddle 50%” for admtted candidates last year were: CR 600 - 710, Writing 620 -720, and Math 610 - 710.</p>

<p>Factually “scores in the 1400’s” represents the 75th percentile of admits according to college boards data as of today. If you look more closely though about 34% of admits have scores that average around the 700 mark in each section.</p>

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<p>Thanks to both of you for your replies. The College Board numbers for the middle 50% sound familiar. For an out of stater who has dreams of becoming
an Echols Scholar, I suppose these numbers really escalate!</p>

<p>Brown College sounds so nice, from what I’ve read. Is this only open to
second years and above.</p>

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<p>brown college is open to 1st years. i lived there last year as a 1st yr. search around on this board we have lots of brown college plugging.</p>

<p>again, those numbers don’t distinguish between oos and instate so i think you can infer what i’m hinting at there.
you might find these links interesting
<a href=“http://www.virginia.edu/Facts/Glance_Admission.html[/url]”>http://www.virginia.edu/Facts/Glance_Admission.html&lt;/a&gt;
<a href=“http://www.virginia.edu/stats&facts/[/url]”>http://www.virginia.edu/stats&facts/&lt;/a&gt;
That means 50% of the incoming class scored between 1220 and 1430: and 1/3 of the class is OOS. I’m sure you can imagine where those 1/3 of the SAT scores fall (though, I will say that Northern VA can hold their own too). Or, think of it this way: 1/4 of the incoming class scored ABOVE 1430. You want to be in that 1/4 if you’re OOS.
SAT scores aren’t a deal breaker for UVA - they care the most about the rigor of your hs schedule, your GPA, and your essays. But you really want to have everything going for you if you’re applying OOS. Just saying.</p>

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<p>UVA used to publish in-state and out-of-state stats. I can no longer find them anywhere. Why? I don’t know. Perhaps the administration felt that they were creating a schism between in-staters and out-of-staters. so decided to quite publishing them.</p>

<p>Clearly, the OOS kids have much better stats, on average, than the in-state ones. When the numbers were published, this was obvious. I wouldn’t go so far as to say that you have to be above a 1430 OOS since, as hazelrob pointed out, 1/3 are OOS and only 1/4 are above that number. In addition, many, many Virginia kids score above 1430, especially those from Northern Virginia. Heck, I did better than that before the scores were recentered, and I hailed from one of the worst schools systems in the state. So, there must be a number of OOS students who scored below a 1430 on the SAT.</p>

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<p>over 4 years ago, my d, an OOS, got in with 1500,(old, 2-part SATs) and yes, much higher stats required OOS. i’ve said this on CC posts before, but our info session clearly stated that. good luck!</p>

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<p>Tarhunt makes a good point that there are MANY instate kids there with stats above 1430 ( my son is currently there now with a 1480 instate from SE Va, not northern Virginia). So, the OOS kids and their parents should not automatically assume that their stats are better than those of the instate kids they encounter. May very well not be the case.</p>

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<p>of course not all oos students have better stats than instate students. but the oos students, on a whole, have better stats than instate students. There are many things which come into play.</p>

<p>There are about 1000 OOS students per class. But they aren’t all created equally. Take out your minorities, athletes, and most importantly, legacies, and you’ll find the remaining batch of white kids from new jersey/new york/connecticutt who have none of those advantages are significantly more qualified, overall, than the rest of the student body.</p>

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<p>jags:</p>

<p>You are correct. My post was intended to be only about OOS qualifications. I was trying to point out that one doesn’t need a 1430 to qualify OOS. The number show that there must be many OOS students below that line.</p>

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<p>I’m just saying - don’t bank on being one of those OOS kids not in the top 75%, as they’re not in the majority.</p>

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<p>hazelrob:</p>

<p>Your own numbers prove that you are mistaken. 1/3 of kids are OOS, right? 1/4 have a 1430 or better. 1/3 is MORE than 1/4, right? So, some of the OOS kids HAVE to have lower than a 1430. Now, add in the fact that SOME of the scores above 1430 are in-state kids, and it increases the number of OOS kids with under a 1430.</p>

<p>The upshot is that OOS kids generally have better stats than in-state kids, but a 1430 is not some sort of absolute requirement. Clearly, there are OOS kids who don’t have 1430s.</p>

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<p>If you listen to President Casteen’s address to the parents of incoming students (dated 9/5/07) at
<a href=“http://www.virginia.edu/uvapodcast/#[/url]”>http://www.virginia.edu/uvapodcast/#&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

<p>he states that the strongest group (of students at UVa) is from Northern Virgina. The second strongest group is from OOS, and the third group is from the rest of Virginia. Casteen goes on to state, however, that there is not much difference in the overall strength of the three groups.</p>

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<p>What chance does an OOS (NJ ) with 1450 / 2230, 15 of 548, 4.6(w), decent ECs ( editor of paper, capt varsity tennis ) have ?</p>

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<p>I’m not exactly sure how one squares Casteen’s statement suggesting that there is not a lot of difference in strength among the three groups and the following statement by Leonard Sandridge:</p>

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<p><a href=“http://www.gatewayva.com/biz/virginiabusiness/magazine/yr2006/dec06/cover1.shtml[/url]”>http://www.gatewayva.com/biz/virginiabusiness/magazine/yr2006/dec06/cover1.shtml&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

<p>MBJ, you should have a good chance.</p>

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<p>One squares this by not making “standardized test scores” a synonym for “strength.”</p>

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<p>No doubt that this is UVa’s position. So, why don’t we all just acknowledge that UVa has a de facto top 5% policy for Virginia residents. </p>

<p>The SAT is essentially irrelevant for Virginia students falling within the top 5% of their class, regardless of the competitiveness of their high schools. In other words, UVa initially considers all high schools as equals, even though the SAT was designed to level the playing field because, as we all know, all high schools are not equal. This policy assures UVa that it will enroll a geographically diverse class of Virginia residents – a politically correct outcome. </p>

<p>That UVa will go deeper into a Virginia resident’s high school class if the student attends a very competitive high school (magnet school, top independent school, etc.) and the student obtains a competitive SAT score.</p>

<p>That OOS students need to have a top 5% ranking and a competitive SAT score to have a good chance of receiving an offer of admission from UVa.</p>

<p>That OOS legacies are treated as instate students for admissions purposes.</p>

<p>That instate legacies receive no special treatment.</p>

<p>That certain URMs and recruited athletes receive a huge boost in the admissions process.</p>

<p>UVA should publish its admissions statistics for each of the three categories (OOS, NOVA and the rest of Virginia), but they never will.</p>

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<p>Maybe, maybe not. I knew someone in HS who was top 5% but had a near ■■■■■■ level SAT score and was outright rejected. Lol.</p>

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<p>Actually, they did release that information several years ago for a WaPo article. Check it out:</p>

<p><a href=“http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/education/specials/uva_chart.htm?nav=hptop_ts[/url]”>http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/education/specials/uva_chart.htm?nav=hptop_ts&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

<p><a href=“http://www.discriminations.us/2003/07/diversity_at_uva_as_reported_o.html[/url]”>http://www.discriminations.us/2003/07/diversity_at_uva_as_reported_o.html&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

<p>Keep in mind that admissions at UVA hasn’t changed much over the past 5-10 years.</p>

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<p>Thanks Cav,</p>

<p>Now that you mention it, I do remember seeing that before. The chart isn’t that clear to me as the heading states that the statistics are for in-state “applications.” So, if I’m reading it correctly, only a percentage of those applications were accepted; therefore, the averages of the accepted students are probably higher.</p>

<p>I’m sure the University “released” this information because the Washington Post asked for it, not becasue UVa wanted it published.</p>

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<p>I said “essentially,” I’m sure there are exceptions for extreme cases.</p>

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<p>Tarhunt, one mistake in your 1/3 is larger than 1/4. It doesnt take into consideration that oos legacies are considered academically on the same basis as instate kids. Thus the oos kids with lower than the 1430 benchmark are let in thus lower the oos stats. So if you are not a legacy and oos the previous statement is pretty close to correct that you need to score above the 1430 level to get in. My son was waitlisted with a 1420 score last year.</p>