Yes, it’s often the case you can’t update those. I recommend to only do recruiting questionnaires when the coach asks. Your D can ask the coach how they want to receive updates, and what info is important to them. Good luck to her.
indeed, friends only filled upon coach request.
strange because the profiling includes swim grades, swim times, videos which are all evolving content throughout junior year. guess that means the rest is updated through emails and/or platforms like cloudswim/ncsa
My son was a recruited swimmer. After the contact was established with a coach, I son used to email them after swim meets regarding how it went. Such as new times and how he felt during the meet… It was a great way to build relationships with the coaches.
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Thanks! to get a general idea, how many coaches did he keep in contact with through each stage of his junior year, through emails, then pre-reads, then coaches seeking commitment?
He kept emails going back and forth with about 7-8 coaches for a year. His swimming times were fast enough to attract their attention. Most of them asked to do a pre-read and he passed all of them. Then we narrowed down the school list to only ones that offer full support.
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Please do not use NCSA, at least the paid service. Completely worthless.
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I second this opinion. NCSA is a waste of time and money. You do not need to pay for a recruiting service, especially since it appears your D has already assembled a list of schools and is busy contacting those programs. Sure, she may get tons of schools following her on NCSA, but if they aren’t the right schools, it doesn’t help anything.
Exactly. The schools we are talking about in this thread don’t need NCSA at all. Other schools might use them, but students can always contact any coach directly.
Dd has several friends that committed to T15 schools, including Ivys, for swimming last year (junior year) and they all had either had verbal commitment by this point in the year or were seriously talking to the school they wound up committing to (i.e. already had an official visit). I mention this just so you are aware that the top academic D1 programs may already have the kids they want. It may make sense for your student to focus more on D3 programs.
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Yes - a few of the very top schools already closed their roster for ‘24. D3 is just getting started with their recruiting and typically commit summer/early fall. Top academic D3 will want to do a pre-read first and I don’t believe those can be done until July 1st.
thanks for clarifying how early the schedule is running, follow up questions:
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is your comment about early commitment of the high school class of 2024 ivy cover all the ivies, or only the fastest ones? For instance, would it extend to Dartmouth, Cornell, and Brown as well?
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did your daughter’s friends all go TO or submitted ACT/SAT scores taken during their sophomore year?
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is swim cloud the right reference for getting a fairly accurate idea of which schools have committed 2024 swimmers?
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if the schedule is generally running now, does it mean we’re already in the period of official visits for all these schools?
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your schedule mentions pre-read in July 2023… so how did the ivies recruit 2024 without pre-reads?
When you say very top, you mean for instance Virginia/Stanford for women’s swimming, or lower to the Harvard/Princeton level, or further down to Cornell/Dartmouth?
Since it wasn’t my child, I do not know all the details. Some are going to Ivys, some to other D1 schools. I believe for the most part they took standardized test after verbal commitment and had been given a minimum score the coach wanted them to meet. The likely letter came much later.
I don’t think so, but these schools will be looking to be done by the start of the summer - if they can.
I think it’s the best you’ve got, but not necessarily accurate. There are plenty of swimmers (athletes in general) who prefer to keep their cards close. This is particularly true of Ivies, where kids are simply committing to the process and academic D3s where it’s ultimately up to admissions. I don’t know if you noticed but many commitments have showed up for 23s in the last week, as acceptances have come out. It’s impossible to say when offers were made and accepted.
Top recruits already visited in the fall. I think there are plenty of top mid-major coaches who are waiting to see what some target recruits will do this coming season (late March championship/ many coaches will attend Sectionals). There is a lot of growing that happens at this age, particularly on the boys side. There will be OV weekends in the Spring.
I don’t know if this is a D3 or NESCAC rule. I think D3? I don’t believe it applies to Ivies. Regardless, coaches have a pretty good pulse on what it takes to pass a pre-read and Ivy coaches have a lot more academic wiggle room.
Ivies aren’t supposed to do pre-reads with admissions until summer after junior year (July 1), but coaches and recruits can verbally commit without an admissions pre-read, because coaches typically know what is needed academically. Recruits can apply test optional, another thing to speak with coach about.
Ivy League recruiting rules here:Prospective Athlete Information - Ivy League
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thanks for insights, particularly regarding the slower ivies. the race is on…
Thank you for clarifying. I wasn’t sure.
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this would mean that the HS24 grads who have already declared were recruited without pre-reads, solely based on whatever grades/ SAT/ACT they submitted to the coach in summer/ fall 2022… that very aggressive recruiting from the likes of Harvard, Princeton, Yale etc in swimming
Correct. Many recruits from many sports verbally commit before academic pre-reads with admissions.
Again, coaches are confident they know what recruits need academically speaking. The only way any 2024s, or later, are verbally committed right now are without pre-reads with admissions. That tends to not be a barrier as long as it is within NCAA rules. Coaches have to be aggressive to get the recruits they want.
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Coaches will ask for transcript, Jr year schedule and sometimes classes the athlete is likely to take Sr year.
SATs are a nice to have but if the rest is good they will simply be told to apply test optional. If I remember correctly ~50% of recruited athletes summited test scores at Princeton this year (source: freshman survey). It is TBD what the test requirement will be for ‘24. NCAA is likely to keep it optional but I’m not 100% convinced all Ivies will keep it so.
Part of the agreement between coach and athlete is that they will maintain their academic standing and the offer is made in good faith. We know a top 10 recruit with strong academic stats who, since committed, planned for a lighter schedule sr year but had to add/change a couple of classes per coach’s direction.