<p>I'm relatively conservative and I don't believe that gay marriage should be legalized. I don't, however, discriminate based on the fact because I believe that everyone should have the choice to do what they wan't. As long as I don't have to sacrifice my lifestyle and beliefs for someone else's, its all good.</p>
<p>Regardless, America has become too sensitive to ideas that don't accommodate the increasing Liberalism in this country. If someone says that they don't believe in gay marriage and the lifestyle, they're automatically a homophobe and/or a religious fanatic. Learn to respect other peoples' opinions; this is America after all.</p>
<p>I personally believe that everyone has the right to do, think, feel whatever they want to unless their actions physically hurt someone.</p>
<p>"Dude, if I don't believe in religion then doesn't that make me NOT part of it. What are you talking about? I guess YOU can choose whatever you want to believe in and disregard the rest, but how in the world does that mean you follow the religion. You follow PARTS, therefore you don't follow."</p>
<p>Thats ^ crazy. Almost everyone follows their religion in parts - they adopt things they believe in and discard things that they don't believe in or rituals that have become extinct. Will you tell me i am not a Hindu because i don't visit a temple or fast according to the vedas or because i don't do purdah?. The sad part about religion following holy books is that times change, situations change but religious teachings remain the same.</p>
<p>I don't believe it's crazy at all. I follow my religion like it was taught. shreya, are you going to tell some Hindu that just because you don't believe in fasting according to verdas and they do, that they are giving a bad name to Hindus because they are fasting? NOPE.....that's all i was really getting at. It's your choice to do what you want, but just because someone follows everything they learned about Hinduism, it doesn't make them a bad person. Correct?</p>
<p>I recognize peoples' rights to their own opinions, but I don't think the government should have the ability to say who can get married and who can't. That should be a personal choice.</p>
<p>If someone follows their religion according to what they believe in- great. But i have the right to follow what i believe in without being targeted.</p>
<p>Regarding homophobia- Sheed- its supported by your religion, but its still your opinion- not all muslims are homophobic and i won't tell them you are not a muslim because you don't disagree to homosexuality.</p>
<p>Homophobia is such an incorrect term for my positions on homosexuality. Just because I disagree with the lifestyle doesn't mean I have some sort of irrational fear of it.</p>
<p>"Homophobia is such an incorrect term for my positions on homosexuality. Just because I disagree with the lifestyle doesn't mean I have some sort of irrational fear of it."</p>
<p>I agree- i think noone's a homophobe unless they start targeting individuals.
Also as liberal as i am- it would freak me out if i ever had a kid and he/she tells me that they feel the other way. To the OP- make sure you talk properly about this to your parents.</p>
<p>sanjenferrer, no half-respectable university would implement a policy against homophobic thoughts. As Jack said, the definition of intellectual freedom allows individuals to believe whatever they want.</p>
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I'm not saying he's not entitled to his own opinion. I'm saying he's not a good fit for the elite colleges, save for Notre Dame (if that's even considered "elite"), if he's intolerant of homosexuality.
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<p>as much as i find sheed's intolerance despicable, he still has a right to express his opinion, so he's just as entitled to attend an elite U as anyone else. as long as he's not forceful about his opinions he'll find accepting people.</p>
<p>however sheed he's right... top u's are pretty much all liberal (except Duke maybe) but obviously there are people from all walks of life. meh good luck.</p>
<p>extremists usually don't remain extreme for too long, anyway</p>
<p>beefs. i didn't call him extremist because he's against gay rights (the discussion wasn't about gay rights or gay marriage at all-- it was about the people who identify themselves as homosexual) ^_^ you can probably figure out why i did, though</p>
<p>not that extremism is necessarily bad. i'm an extremist in the respect that i refuse to accept anything as "fact" ... and i know i'll probably change. i would call sheed EXTREME because his views are many standard deviations away from what i normally see. </p>
<p>oh, and my statements certainly don't represent the views of the entire country. in fact, for what it's worth i read somewhere that most in the US identify themselves as conservative.</p>
<p>yeah the US is surprisingly conservative in comparison to like half the world...it's pretty ridiculous.</p>
<p>on a whole, americans feel that their traditions and religious beliefs are status quo. europeans find a way to balance tradition, religion, and progressive ideas to make the society accepting of everyone.</p>
<p>^ yeah definitely. at least in MN (and i'm guessing most other states) the city is really liberal [in fact, two neighborhoods over from mine, there was a neighborhood where caucus results stated that there were 0.00% conservative votes haha] and the country is really conservative.</p>
<p>...wow this thread has gotten VERY off topic...</p>
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In any case, he is still not welcome on these campuses.
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You can't just dislike someone simply because you disagree with their lifestyle.
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You can. But does it matter? No. People get along fine; if not, people learn to deal with it. There are all kinds of people out there, buddy.</p>
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This thread I made just on a whim when deciding what to do this weekend. I now realize that bringing a significant other home requires much more planning. Generally, I don't like planning relationship-related stuff though.
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Do your parents know? If not, you shouldn't take him home - it'd be too big of a surprise. Somehow hinting to your parents over time will help.</p>
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You sound like one of those kids whose parents preach a religion to them and they believe every word of it. They don't take the time to think about things for themselves.
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I recognize peoples' rights to their own opinions, but I don't think the government should have the ability to say who can get married and who can't. That should be a personal choice.
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Mm...depends what you mean by getting married. Legally (on paper), the US hasn't exactly approved of it, but if you mean getting married as in living together, holding a secret marriage (you know, like an exchange of vows, just not on paper), then of course it can happen.</p>
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Homophobia is such an incorrect term for my positions on homosexuality. Just because I disagree with the lifestyle doesn't mean I have some sort of irrational fear of it.
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Mm...depends what you mean by getting married. Legally (on paper), the US hasn't exactly approved of it, but if you mean getting married as in living together, holding a secret marriage (you know, like an exchange of vows, just not on paper), then of course it can happen.
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<p>obviously the benefits of marriage extend further than just "exchanging vows"... taxes and other official benefits play a big part.</p>
<p>regardless of any opinion on the issue, i'm pretty sure that based on our history in the US, they WILL legalize gay marriage in our generation. i mean just look how blacks are allowed to marry whites, women are no longer property, etc. marriage, like everything else, does not remain static. plus it seems like the young people tend to be more liberal right now. that's my prediction anyway.</p>
<p>the only <em>real</em> argument against gay marriage is based on the whole <em>you should live just like me, the majority</em> thing--follow my religion, etc. are there any arguments that DON'T fall into that category? i mean genuine arguments-- not, if we legalize gay marriage, more people will be gay-type arguments lol</p>
<p>Acceptance of homosexuality is not debatable, and true intellectuals know that. It's like racism and sexism. Your mentality is harmful to the University of Chicago and to society.</p>
<p>And beefs, how dare you call homosexuality a lifestyle!
Also, "homophobia" doesn't just mean "irrational fear of homosexuality." It could also mean heterosexism.</p>
<p>"The University of Chicago is committed to fostering an environment free from racism, sexism, ageism, heterosexism, homophobia, ableism, xenophobia."</p>