<p>*“University of Alabama and South Florida are in the list, I think.
Holy Cross did not report SAT or ACT scores.” *</p>
<p>I don’t see Alabama on either list. Wierd that UA-H is on the list but neither Alabama nor UA-Birmingham</p>
<p>Both University of Alabama and UA-Birmingham reported Critical Reading SAT 25th percentiles below 500 in 2010 so they missed my cutoff criterion. I had 325 colleges in the list and had to limit somehow. </p>
<p>Sparkeye, I used the original group that was selected by SAT for my ACT list and did not select a new group based on ACT. Sorry. Michigan State is an awesome school. The best students at Michigan State are as good as any students anywhere. I think they have a huge student body, don’t they? </p>
<p>Here is data for Michigan State and the Alabamas:
SAT CR 25th and 75th, SAT Math 25th and 75th, ACT Comp 25th and 75th, school name</p>
<p>450 610 530 670 23 28 Michigan State University
490 620 500 620 22 29 The University of Alabama
490 680 510 690 21 27 University of Alabama at Birmingham
510 630 510 655 22 29 University of Alabama in Huntsville</p>
<p>Mich St is 86% ACT
UA is 78% ACT
UA Birmingham is 95% ACT
UA Huntsville is 92% ACT</p>
<p>OK, slowly we are getting somewhere - so it’s not the top 325 schools by CR75+M75, it’s first filtered by CR25 >= 500, and then ranked by sum of CR75+M75.</p>
<p>This still doesn’t explain why Rose-Hulman, Missouri US&T, and Babson (for instance) are not in the list, as they have CR25 >= 500.</p>
<p>Rose-Hulman and Babson may have been filtered out because of their Carnegie Classification if they offer associates degrees. Not sure about Missouri.</p>
<p>RH does not offer associate degrees, only bachelors. I am confused why it would be missing as well.</p>
<p>So Rose-Hulman is ruled out by Carnegie Classification and DigiPen is not? </p>
<p>So now the formula is “filter by unexplained Carnegie Classification, filter by CR25>=500, and then rank by CR75+M75”. Can you just explain all of the criteria that go into the list, or do I have to keep badgering them out of you one at a time?</p>
<p>I checked on Rose Hulman and Babson. They were excluded based on their Carnegie Classification (engineering schools=27, business schools=29). Their SATs would have qualified them.</p>
<p>Digipen has a Carnegie Classification of 22 “Baccalareate Colleges - Diverse Fields”. I didn’t know Digipen had a diverse curriculum but, evidently, it does.</p>
<p>The Criteria were based on Carnegie Classifications 15-22 and SAT 25th percentile. I thought I said that. SAT CR and Math 25th above 500. The criteria yielded over 325 schools which is a lot to post on CC.</p>
<p>From IPEDS: Carnegie Classification Basic
Value
1 Associate’s–Public Rural-serving Small<br>
2 Associate’s–Public Rural-serving Medium<br>
3 Associate’s–Public Rural-serving Large<br>
4 Associate’s–Public Suburban-serving Single Campus<br>
5 Associate’s–Public Suburban-serving Multicampus<br>
6 Associate’s–Public Urban-serving Single Campus<br>
7 Associate’s–Public Urban-serving Multicampus<br>
8 Associate’s–Public Special Use<br>
9 Associate’s–Private Not-for-profit<br>
10 Associate’s–Private For-profit<br>
11 Associate’s–Public 2-year colleges under 4-year universities<br>
12 Associate’s–Public 4-year Primarily Associate’s<br>
13 Associate’s–Private Not-for-profit 4-year Primarily Associate’s<br>
14 Associate’s–Private For-profit 4-year Primarily Associate’s<br>
15 Research Universities (very high research activity)<br>
16 Research Universities (high research activity)<br>
17 Doctoral/Research Universities<br>
18 Master’s Colleges and Universities (larger programs)<br>
19 Master’s Colleges and Universities (medium programs)<br>
20 Master’s Colleges and Universities (smaller programs)<br>
21 Baccalaureate Colleges–Arts & Sciences<br>
22 Baccalaureate Colleges–Diverse Fields<br>
23 Baccalaureate/Associate’s Colleges<br>
24 Theological seminaries, Bible colleges, and other faith-related institutions<br>
25 Medical schools and medical centers<br>
26 Other health professions schools<br>
27 Schools of engineering<br>
28 Other technology-related schools<br>
29 Schools of business and management<br>
30 Schools of art, music, and design<br>
31 Schools of law<br>
32 Other special-focus institutions<br>
33 Tribal Colleges<br>
0 Not classified<br>
-3 Not applicable, not in Carnegie universe (not accredited or nondegree-granting) </p>
<p>Variable Description
Carnegie Classification 2010 Update: Basic Classification </p>
<p>To ensure continuity of the classification framework and to allow comparison across years, the 2010 Classification update retains the same structure of six parallel classifications, initially adopted in 2005. They are as follows: Basic Classification (the traditional Carnegie Classification Framework), Undergraduate and Graduate Instructional Program classifications, Enrollment Profile and Undergraduate Profile classifications, and Size & Setting classification. These classifications provide different lenses through which to view U.S. colleges and universities, offering researchers greater analytic flexibility. </p>
<p>These classifications are time-specific snapshots of institutional attributes and behavior based on data from 2008 to 2010. and collectively they depict the most current landscape of U.S. colleges and universities. Institutions might be classified differently using a different timeframe. Individual classifications are not updated with more recent data. </p>
<p>***Note- Carnegie classifications for IPEDS years 2005-2009, are the 2005 classifications, which were based on time-specific snapshots of institutional attributes and behavior based on data from 2003 to 2005. </p>
<p>The Basic Classification is an update of the traditional classification framework developed by the Carnegie Commission on Higher Education in 1970 to support its research program, and later published in 1973 for use by other researchers. Although this classification has undergone many changes over the years, the current release involves some significant changes from previous editions. </p>
<p>Associate’s Colleges. Includes institutions where all degrees are at the associate’s level, or where bachelor’s degrees account for less than 10 percent of all undergraduate degrees. Excludes institutions eligible for classification as Tribal Colleges or Special Focus Institutions. </p>
<p>Assoc/Pub-R-S: Associate’s—Public Rural-serving Small
Assoc/Pub-R-M: Associate’s—Public Rural-serving Medium
Assoc/Pub-R-L: Associate’s—Public Rural-serving Large
Assoc/Pub-S-SC: Associate’s—Public Suburban-serving Single Campus
Assoc/Pub-S-MC: Associate’s—Public Suburban-serving Multicampus
Assoc/Pub-U-SC: Associate’s—Public Urban-serving Single Campus
Assoc/Pub-U-MC: Associate’s—Public Urban-serving Multicampus
Assoc/Pub-Spec: Associate’s—Public Special Use
Assoc/PrivNFP: Associate’s—Private Not-for-profit
Assoc/PrivFP: Associate’s—Private For-profit
Assoc/Pub2in4: Associate’s—Public 2-year Colleges under Universities
Assoc/Pub4: Associate’s—Public 4-year, Primarily Associate’s
Assoc/PrivNFP4: Associate’s—Private Not-for-profit 4-year, Primarily Associate’s
Assoc/PrivFP4: Associate’s—Private For-profit 4-year, Primarily Associate’s </p>
<p>Doctorate-granting Universities. Includes institutions that award at least 20 doctoral degrees per year (excluding doctoral-level degrees that qualify recipients for entry into professional practice, such as the JD, MD, PharmD, DPT, etc.) Excludes Special Focus Institutions and Tribal Colleges. </p>
<p>RU/VH: Research Universities (very high research activity)
RU/H: Research Universities (high research activity)
DRU: Doctoral/Research Universities </p>
<p>Master’s Colleges and Universities. Includes institutions that award at least 50 master’s degrees per year. Excludes Special Focus Institutions and Tribal Colleges. </p>
<p>Master’s/L: Master’s Colleges and Universities (larger programs)
Master’s/M: Master’s Colleges and Universities (medium programs)
Master’s/S: Master’s Colleges and Universities (smaller programs) </p>
<p>Baccalaureate Colleges. Includes institutions where baccalaureate degrees represent at least 10 percent of all undergraduate degrees and that award fewer than 50 master’s degrees or fewer than 20 doctoral degrees per year. Excludes Special Focus Institutions and Tribal Colleges. </p>
<p>Bac/A&S: Baccalaureate Colleges—Arts & Sciences
Bac/Diverse: Baccalaureate Colleges—Diverse Fields
Bac/Assoc: Baccalaureate/Associate’s Colleges </p>
<p>Special Focus Institutions. Institutions awarding baccalaureate or higher-level degrees where a high concentration of degrees is in a single field or set of related fields. Excludes Tribal Colleges. </p>
<p>Spec/Faith: Theological seminaries, Bible colleges, and other faith-related institutions
Spec/Medical: Medical schools and medical centers
Spec/Health: Other health profession schools
Spec/Engg: Schools of engineering
Spec/Tech: Other technology-related schools
Spec/Bus: Schools of business and management
Spec/Arts: Schools of art, music, and design
Spec/Law: Schools of law
Spec/Other: Other special-focus institutions
Tribal Colleges. Colleges and universities that are members of the American Indian Higher Education Consortium, as identified in IPEDS Institutional Characteristics. </p>
<p>Tribal: Tribal Colleges </p>
<p>For a complete description and technical details visit the Carnegie Foundation Website at <a href=“http://www.carnegiefoundation.org/classifications/[/url]”>www.carnegiefoundation.org/classifications/</a>
Variable Sources
Carnegie Foundation, Carnegie Classifications Data File, July 5, 2011</p>
<p>That still doesn’t explain the absence of, for example, Missouri US&T, as they are CC16 (RU/H), CR25=550, CR25+M75=1390.</p>
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<p>Here are DigiPen’s degree programs:
<a href=“https://www.digipen.edu/academics/degree-programs/[/url]”>https://www.digipen.edu/academics/degree-programs/</a></p>
<p>How is that more diverse than Rose Hulman’s degree programs:
[url=<a href=“404 | Rose-Hulman”>Academics | Rose-Hulman]Academics[/url</a>]</p>
<p>Missouri University of Science and Tech is Carnegie 27, Specialty College - Engineering, and was outside my selection criteria.</p>
<p>I sent an email to the Carnegie Foundation asking them why Rose Hulman and Digipen are classified differently. I don’t know the answer to that.</p>
<p>Did nobody notice the correlations I posted? Admit rate has a ZERO correlation with graduation rate while test scores have an extremely strong relationship to graduation rate. I thought the admit rate correlation would be lower but the ZERO surprised me. Maybe this wasn’t surprising to anybody else.</p>
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<p>Sure, but you should also take note of the increase in both OOS and international students.</p>
<p>from 2011 to 2012, UCLA’s applicants increased by around 13k applicants. Only 3k of that was from instate though. The rest was from OOS/International students. I think it’s pretty surprising that nearly 20k of the 70k applicants are not form California, considering that UCLA isn’t in the common app. if it were, i’m sure UCLA would have long surpassed 100k total applicants (which it will probably do next year.)</p>
<p>[Profile</a> of Admitted Freshmen, Fall 2011 - UCLA Undergraduate Admissions](<a href=“http://www.admissions.ucla.edu/Prospect/Adm_fr/Frosh_Prof11.htm]Profile”>http://www.admissions.ucla.edu/Prospect/Adm_fr/Frosh_Prof11.htm)</p>
<p>[Profile</a> of Admitted Freshmen, Fall 2012 - UCLA Undergraduate Admissions](<a href=“http://www.admissions.ucla.edu/Prospect/Adm_fr/Frosh_Prof12.htm]Profile”>http://www.admissions.ucla.edu/Prospect/Adm_fr/Frosh_Prof12.htm)</p>
<p>It still amazes me that fully 25% of Harvard acceptances score LESS than 1390 on the SAT (M+CR). Do they really admit thaaaatt many athletes and wealthy legacies? Guess so.</p>
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<p>No, it’s not. Here is the entry for MUS&T, it’s classified as Research University (high):</p>
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<p>There are only a handful of schools classified as Specialty/Engg, and MUS&T is not one of them:</p>
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<p>I see what you mean. The Carnegie website says they are RU/H. I double checked IPEDS. They are definitely a 27 Specialty Engineering College in their data. My guess is that they recently earned an upgrade in their classification which will show up in the IPEDS data when the 2011-12 statistics are released. Let me know if you can find out whether they recently changed classifications. They used to be U Missouri Rolla. When did the name change?</p>
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<p>Thanks for the kind words, collegehelp!! :)</p>
<p>Yes, MSU is huge!! But there are also 3000+ Honors College students who must have achieved the following “minimum” in order to be invited for its highly praised honors program:</p>
<pre><code>*Rank in the top 5 percent of their high school graduating class.
*Have an ACT composite score of at least 30 or an SAT score of at least 1360 (Critical Reading plus Math sections only). MSU requires an ACT or SAT with a writing component.
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<p>Source: [Honors</a> College Admission](<a href=“http://honorscollege.msu.edu/admissions/index.html]Honors”>http://honorscollege.msu.edu/admissions/index.html)</p>
<p>Top 10- Overall Excellence (honors curriculum, prestigious undergraduate and postgraduate scholarships, honors retention and graduation rates, honors housing, study-abroad programs, and priority registration):</p>
<ol>
<li>University of Michigan</li>
<li>University of Virginia</li>
<li>University of Texas at Austin</li>
<li>University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill</li>
<li>Arizona State University</li>
<li>University of Washington</li>
<li>University of Minnesota
8. Michigan State University</li>
<li>University of South Carolina</li>
<li>University of Georgia</li>
</ol>
<p>Top 10- Honors Factors (everything in Overall Excellence, except prestigious undergraduate and postgraduate scholarships):</p>
<ol>
<li>University of South Carolina</li>
<li>University of Texas at Austin</li>
<li>University of Michigan</li>
<li>Arizona State University
5. Michigan State University</li>
<li>University of Georgia</li>
<li>University of Delaware</li>
<li>University of Virginia</li>
<li>University of Minnesota</li>
<li>Penn State University</li>
</ol>
<p>Source: [New</a>! Top Programs! | Public University Honors](<a href=“http://publicuniversityhonors.com/new-top-programs-by-category/]New”>http://publicuniversityhonors.com/new-top-programs-by-category/)</p>
<p>I don’t know much about the history of MUS&T, but I don’t think it’s ever been an engineering specialty school. It seems like probably just a glitch in the IPEDS if they listed it that way.</p>
<p>Missouri University of Science and Technology (formerly University of Missouri - Rolla) is a science and engineering heavy school, although it has some other majors: [Missouri</a> S&T, Degree Programs](<a href=“http://futurestudents.mst.edu/degrees/index.html]Missouri”>http://futurestudents.mst.edu/degrees/index.html)</p>
<p>But the classification of MUST seems odd considering that schools like Harvey Mudd, Caltech, Colorado School of Mines, and New Mexico Institute of Mining and Technology all passed the screen to make it to the list in your first post.</p>
<p>Since the UCs and some other state schools do not superscore, wouldn’t that affect the reporting numbers?</p>
<p>Yes, superscoring would affect the SAT numbers. Superscoring would increase the reported SAT figures. I wish I could put an asterisk next to the schools that do not superscore so readers could consider that.</p>