<p>Everkingly, I would like to show you how I feel.</p>
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How dare you say that I have ever advocated the targeting of civilians? Have you read all of my posts? I have clearly said that I am a devout Christian that views all violence as unjustified whether it be forced conversions, the Crusades, pogroms, the Holocaust, terrorist attacks and the violent protests that have turned deadly. I would never ever justify violence against anyone.
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<p>Then how do you explain tim mcveigh? huh? huh? You call his actions peaceful? My god, you sure have some weird idea of what peace is. How do you explain the KKK??? They're Christian, you must share the same morals as them. You know, I haven't seen any Christian religious officials denounce them in the news lately. They must support the actions of the KKK!!! You christians are all alike, deep down inside, maybe subconsiously or something, you're all white supremacists. Yeah, even the Christians that aren't white. You know you are.</p>
<p>The above paragraph is pretty much what I feel you are saying to me every time I read one of your posts (just replace the word 'Christians' with 'Muslims'). I respect Christians, and sincerely hope none will take offense in the above paragraph, as I was only using it to illustrate how I feel. None of what I said reflects my veiws of Christians. A lot of Christians out there are really awesome people. I know that most Christians are not KKK members or Timothy McVeigh. I am simply trying to prove that most Muslims aren't the Saudi Arabian government or Osama bin Laden. I would never make wild accusations that Jesus was a so and so, because Muslims beleive that Jesus was a messenger of God, and I'm not going to disrespect a messenger of God. Please, please, keep an open mind, and at least answer this question:</p>
<p>You have been told over and over, by MUSLIMS, that Islam is a religion of peace. Why do you find it so hard to beleive? Do you think we're lying to you or something?</p>
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You have been told over and over, by MUSLIMS, that Islam is a religion of peace. Why do you find it so hard to beleive? Do you think we're lying to you or something?
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<p>Thats because his brain is nothing more than a rock. But I'd personally ignore him and not take him seriously. People like him arent taken seriously in the real world, anyways. Not once has he proven his points with facts of history or statistics.</p>
<p>JamesN: Man, you really can't help but make stupid comparisons can you? I DO NOT hate Muslims (maybe you're confusing me with neverborn). I have plenty of Muslim friends and we engage in intellectual debate all the time without ever resorting to name-calling or making idiotic comparisons to Bush or O'Reilley.</p>
<p>Hairypotty: I thought you were on of the few people on this thread that actually wanted to reconcile both sides. However, if you agree 100% with JamesN's comments about me being a fool and a troll (where did that come from), then I have to admit that I am deeply saddened by your change of heart.</p>
<p>I'm sorry for misunderstanding, everkingly. I meant that I agree with these comments:</p>
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Back to the topic: I think that the Muslims have gotten over those cartoons (at least most did). However, I do agree that they overreacted and they should really consider what their prophet would do under such conditions.</p>
<p>Each religion thinks they're superior than the other, but under God, everyone is equal. One's duty is not bashing other religions and calling them savages. Their duty is to abide by their holy book and live a life as to be deserving for forgiveness from God.
<p>JamesN: Wow I never knew you had inspected my brain. Is it really nothing more than a rock? If you look at all my posts (I know you haven't and probably will not because you would just rather cast me off as a Christian bigot), you would see that several of them contain facts, statistics and literal excerpts. I have looked at your posts and I really can only find one that offers and credible evidence.</p>
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I DO NOT hate Muslims (maybe you're confusing me with neverborn). I have plenty of Muslim friends...
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<p>So have you told them that they secretly desire the destruction and murder of non-Muslims and seek to overrun the world with Islamic regimes? What did they think of that?</p>
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you would see that several of them contain facts, statistics and literal excerpts.
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<p>Really? I don't see that. Please show me.</p>
<p>(I don't mean that in an offensive way, I'd really like to see the proof behind your statements.)</p>
<p>sydney_bristow87: Your post about Christian extremists is very poignant but remember that both McVeigh and the KKK targeted Christians in their attacks. The KKK hates Catholics almost more than it hates Jews and blacks. Christian leaders (especially Catholic ones and black reverends) have always come out against the actions of the KKK. So, your statement about Christians not being against their actions is false. I know that you were only using it as an example to prove a point but please try to make sure that your example holds true.</p>
<p>Did I ever mention that I am Hispanic. So, I guess I can't be a white supremacist. Oh darn!</p>
<p>I referred to the Muslims who are burning buildings and killing people over cartoons as savages. Not all Muslims. If the people burning buildings and killing people over cartoons were anarchists, Communists, Christians, or atheists - they'd STILL be savages.</p>
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I know that you were only using it as an example to prove a point but please try to make sure that your example holds true.
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<p>Same to you, my dear. I am aware that my example contained many, many false statements. I was trying to demonstrate how your posts contained untrue statements.</p>
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... both McVeigh and the KKK targeted Christians in their attacks.
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<p>The hotel bombings in Jordan killed plenty of Muslims/Arabs.</p>
<p>Violence is stupid.</p>
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Did I ever mention that I am Hispanic. So, I guess I can't be a white supremacist. Oh darn!
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<p>Don't worry, if you go back and read my example, I did cover that:</p>
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You christians are all alike, deep down inside, maybe subconsiously or something, you're all white supremacists. Yeah, even the Christians that aren't white. You know you are.
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<p>See, with that, I was trying to demonstrate how generalizing will get you nowhere.</p>
<p>Example: All Muslims hate non-Muslims and Americans.
Yeah? What about, oh, say 99% of the Muslim population? The ones who have friends and family who aren't Muslim? The ones who aren't of Arab descent? The ones who live in America when they're perfectly free to go to Saudi Arabia or somewhere?</p>
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I referred to the Muslims who are burning buildings and killing people over cartoons as savages. Not all Muslims. If the people burning buildings and killing people over cartoons were anarchists, Communists, Christians, or atheists - they'd STILL be savages.
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<p>See, that's what I've been tring to say. I, a Muslim, think people who bomb buildings and kill people are savages, regardless of their religion. I think you guys would really actually agree with the true message of Islam - it's just that I'm having a really hard time getting you to beleive that yes, Islam encourages peace.</p>
<p>Looking at the Koran seems to lend the idea that the peaceful Muslims ( the majority of Muslims on the planet ) are NOT following the Koran to the letter, whereas the terrorists are.</p>
<p>sydney_bristow87: I quite agree. Violence is stupid. I mean Muslim terrorists have directly and indirectly caused more Muslim deaths than non-Muslim deaths and Christian terrorists (including the KKK) have killed more Christians than non-Christians. Now you see why I despise violence of all forms.</p>
<p>Neverborn: have you ever looked inside the koran? studied the translation with someone who knew what he was doing? I dont mean read it on your own, you need to study when the verses were sent down, and each verse applies to something that was going on during that time. You really have no idea what your talking about.. give me one verse, THAT IS ACTUALLY IN THE KORAN, and i'll show you that Islam did not promote violence..</p>
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Looking at the Koran seems to lend the idea that the peaceful Muslims ( the majority of Muslims on the planet ) are NOT following the Koran to the letter, whereas the terrorists are.
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<p>-sigh- Why can't it be the other way around? Why are the majority wrong? Give me the reasons that have led you to this conclusion. </p>
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I quite agree. Violence is stupid. I mean Muslim terrorists have directly and indirectly caused more Muslim deaths than non-Muslim deaths and Christian terrorists (including the KKK) have killed more Christians than non-Christians. Now you see why I despise violence of all forms.
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<p>I'm glad we're on the same page with the whole violence thing. Violence solves NOTHING, it just makes everyone angry at each other, and then things really start to unravel.</p>