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I would like to think that most college-aged girls aren't like the one 174IQPartier is talking about.
Correct me if I wrong.
Overall, I think it's a valid theory.
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<p>Most girls of any age are like that...</p>
<p>174IQPartier, I can definitely see the theory; guys DO need to make themselves stand out more to make a girl's grade, </p>
<p>For instance, I know this one guy who feels that it's necessary to display his IQ score at every opportunity in order to get any action whatsoever, it's quite bizarre. :)</p>
<p>A fault I find with your theory, which is why I question its validity, is that you're applying it to a very specific environment, which is the college party scene. Within this environment you are more likely to find the stereotypical female who goes for the "jerk" and who likes to drink while the nice guy gets left on the sidelines.</p>
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Ugh! Women are silly because they can afford to be!
The latter guy makes her more horny, so she acts like a dumbass.
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<p>This sounds more like a rant than actual analysis. From this one female you can't make a generalization about all females. Your "case study" is not very reliable.</p>
<p>Also, ever think about the biological reasons behind people's actions? We all have it in our heads that the grass is greener on the other side, and we want things we can't have. It's all been built into our genetics, it helps us strive for bigger and better things. Girls will go for "jerks" because they're hard to get and hard to please. Perhaps this is what tricks girls into thinking that the jerk they are pursuing is worth going after, that perhaps he has the strong genetics. I believe it's the same thing with men, who won't think twice about dating a girl they've slept with on the first encounter but will go nuts after girls who won't kiss until the second or third date. This nice guy is way too easy to get, so the girl isn't interested.</p>
<p>I think this is being thought out to much as well haha. Good theory though. =]</p>
<p>catsushi that's pretty much what it is. The nice guy comes off (subconsciously) as trying too hard to please the chick because he doesn't have options. The jerk has options and so he is the better catch. That isn't necessarily true, but there's a correlation.</p>
<p>Op, get over yourself. People like who they like, guys in most cases are most interested in sex, girls like guys for different reasons. Its not that difficult.</p>
<p>So... the impression I am getting is that sexual selection is more difficult for guys than girls because girls are so much more illogical than guys.</p>
<p>Girls, you know what guys are looking for.
Who the hell knows what girls are looking for?
Girls change their minds about everything anyway and don't listen to logic and reason but rather petty emotions which mean absolutely nothing.</p>
<p>nah brah women aren't that hard to figure out. They want to feel their emotions and they want to feel like a woman. This takes a dominant man with social value. They don't want to have to be the man in the relationship and have to deal with the "nice" guy.</p>
<p>They do listen to emotions, though, which is why they (at first) can be turned off form you very easily. But once you get them hooked on you, they will overlook many things and it works in the man's favour. That's why you see women on talk shows with men who abuse them because they "love" them. They solidified their emotions with the man and can't get free of them.</p>
<p>You've gotta man up, brah. If you think that the women have the power, then they do. If you ever realize that you've been giving them the power this whole time, you might be able to prevent it.</p>
<p>I agree with Russell on this one.</p>
<p>174IQ: Interesting theory. But you should at least explain the payoffs for the actions the girl can take. How does the payoff differ, if at all, between dating the "nice" guy and dating the "arrogant" guy?</p>
<p>augustuscaesar: Much of the payoff she bases her decision on is from subconscious impulses.
She thinks that the 'arrogant' guy will be better in bed than the 'nice' guy, since the 'arrogant' guy will be more likely to take the lead.</p>
<p>Taking the lead must be really beneficial to the girl since she'd rather date someone who cheats than someone who doesn't take the lead... Interesting. </p>
<p>And yet girls always blame guys for cheating when that's exactly who they want to date...</p>
<p>They want a guy who takes the lead because they want to be able to embrace their femininity, not because they want him to cheat.</p>
<p>Yeah but if they go after the good-looking but jerks, then they're gonna get the cheaters.</p>
<p>Kind of like how guys go after gorgeous chicks and get the unwanted side effect of them being b****es.</p>
<p>Not all dominant men cheat, but there is a correlation since they go after what they want. Most nice guys aren't really nice. They're just weak.</p>
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So... the impression I am getting is that sexual selection is more difficult for guys than girls because girls are so much more illogical than guys.
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<p>When was the last time you were in a relationship with a girl? You sound almost bitter and therefore are on the verge of sounding sexist. I still don't see how you deduced that women are more illogical than guys. Your presumption is weak and I do not see any reliable support.</p>
<p>Also, who told you that girls will go for jerks because they're better in bed? Unlike guys, girls who want serious relationships aren't in it just for the sex, but are searching for that deep emotional connection featured in romantic movies.</p>
<p>I think out of all of you, I would agree more with Russell's explanations.</p>
<p>Guys are attracted to girls based on how they look. Girls are attracted to guys for how they make them feel.</p>
<p>This is a great advantage for guys, as they don't have to be particularly good looking to get a hot babe, while looks matter more so for girls, although most non-fat girls should be able to find someone, as people for the most part, are not super ugly. I'd say about 95% at least of the non-fat population isn't ugly. </p>
<p>Where's this leave the rest? Well, some fat girls who are just a little overweight can still be pretty attractive. They'll have bigger boobs, and attract men that way. Some men like bigger girls. Obese girls, not really attractive to anyone. All they have to do is take matters into their own hands, as said earlier in this thread, and lose some weight. If they lose some weight, they can become attractive quite easily.</p>
<p>Same applies to girls. If you are too "ugly" to get girls, which can happen, take matters into your own hand. Workout and lose weight if you're fat. Get a new, stylish haircut. If you have no idea what that is, ask the girl doing your hair, and I'm sure she'll help. Wear some nice clothes that fit. Take more showers, wear a good cologne if that is what is needed. No one should be too ugly to go out and meet girls.</p>
<p>It's not so much a nice guy vs. jerk thing as some of you are making this out to be. There is nothing wrong with being nice and treating a women right.</p>
<p>Regarding hot girls, just think. They are probably approached like 10 times each night they go out by a bunch of guys, all doing the same thing. That can easily be 100's, 200's, 300's, 400's of guys approaching her pretty much the same way each month. Most of these men are approaching her, being nice, kissing her ass, pleasing her every demand. It gets old to her. You have to be different. You can't treat her like every other guy. You have to kind of tease her, like she was your sister. It will be different, and attract her.</p>
<p>You have to be cocky funny. That is to be cocky and funny. Cockiness and humor are the magic combination. The jerk is likely to at least have the cocky part down, but also usually has the humor aspect down as well. The nice guy is lacking the cockiness, and probably isn't being funny either, thus he is doing the complete opposite of what attracts women.</p>
<p>Examples of cocky funny are:</p>
<p>A girl you have gone on like 3-4 dates with over the course of like 3 weeks says, "I love you". You don't say back, "I love you too". In doing so, your are DLV'ing, making yourself appear somewhat needy, looking for her approval (girls hate guys looking for their approval). Instead, you should respond with something like the Han Solo, "I know", or "I would too if I was you".</p>
<p>Another example is that if you're on say a first date with a girl, and she begins talking about her ex-boyfriends, say something like, "Well it's good to start at the bottom and work your way up to the top. Me."</p>
<p>Girls are not illogical at all. What they do is they will give a guy a series of **** tests. If you go in being a wussy and asskissing, you already failed without even getting to the **** test. Just think of it like a drivers exam and your car not passing the safety test. You automatically fail. You failed before you even began. </p>
<p>A **** test could just be in general conversation, just talking. If a guy starts agreeing with everything she says, he failed the **** test. Another **** test is a girl could start acting like a "<strong><em>". This is another </em></strong> test. The way to respond to this is call her out on it, by saying something like, "Does she always act like a brat?". (or use "you" if it's just one on one, I prefer the third person pronoun in a group setting). The word brat is one of those magical words, because it makes her feel like you're treating her like her brother, or more likely her dad treats her, and not just trying to sleep with her like all the nice guys. You should never accept second class behavior and you should make that known. Another * test, is that she could go talk to another guy. If you stand there, and wait for her to finish that exchange, you fail the **** test. You walk away. Go talk to another girl. She'll come back to you.</p>
<p>You have to use the cat and string theory a bit. If you hold a ball above a cat, it will bat at it. It will jump and try to get it. Put the ball between the cats paws, it will look at it for a second, and then walk away, disinterested. Girls are the same way. You have to make a girl work for your attention. You have to show an initial disinterest in your target and then play hard to get, even after you isolate the target. Make yourself the prize, not her. You have the power, not her. </p>
<p>A good way to do this is to say something like, "I think you would make a good friend." This will confuse the hell out of her. She will begin thinking to herself, "What, this guy isn't in to me? He just wants to be friends?" This demonstrates a lack of interest in her. Then she will likely respond by trying to attract you in a "more than friends" way. Sending mixed signals is always good. </p>
<p>You should also work on developing some fascinating routines you can do for a girl. And by this, I mean stuff like cold readings, palmistry, tarot cards, magic tricks. Girls eat this stuff up. If you can do this type of stuff, you instantly become interesting.</p>
<p>Also, the reason you have the cocky part in cocky funny, is to show confidence, and show DHV's. The guy, as mentioned in this thread earlier, telling girls about his SAT score, is actually DLV'ing. She will be thinking, "Wow, this loser has to compensate for his insecurities by blurting out his SAT score. Like I care." It has to be natural.</p>
<p>A good way to make good DHV's are to have some set routines that you can use. A good one is the photo routine. You pre-select a bunch of photos that show all aspects of your personality. One of the pictures could be you with some attractive women, you doing something athletic, you traveling somewhere, you with your pets, with celebrities, goofing off with friends. It is important to have a short little anecdotal story put together with each photo. You keep them in one of those cardboard containers that you get when you just have the film developed. You just keep it in your coat, and act like you just got some pictures developed.</p>
<p>You can also instead of cocky funny, try to use NLP. I am not too big of stuff like synthenasia and anchoring, which are pretty much pure NLP. But it's good to weave in some NLP.</p>
<p>Condiment anchoring is good. This is giving a girl something that will remind her of the positive emotions that she felt when she was with you. This could be, for example, giving her your scarf at the end of the night. Say, "Here, take this to remind yourself of me. I'm not giving this to you, I want it back the next time I see you."</p>
<p>Having some good NLP routines is good as well. NLP is all about evoking the feelings of a women and manipulating her thoughts and feelings. A good routine for this is the photo booth routine, which can be done with either a photo booth or digital camera. What you do is you take 3 pictures of you and a girl together. You make it a bit of a game. Say, "Lets make this first photo of us trying to be happy." Lets make the second photo us making silly faces. Then the third photo never changes. "Lets make the third photo us looking into each other eyes romantically." Then you look at the photos together (either on the photobooth print out, or on your digital camera screen). What you are doing is anchoring certain emotions with her. She will begin to feel these emotions when she looks at the pictures. </p>
<p>It's okay to be nice to a girl and treat her with respect. But your not going to get anywhere if you act like a wuss and let her walk all over you.</p>
<p>mystery's photo routines are retarded. Actually most of them are. Those routines that you just posted are meant to be used in big city night clubs, not college campuses or anywhere during the day.</p>
<p>I'm not a big fan of the photo routine, but the photobooth routine is gold.</p>
<p>You can also use an improvised photo routine when you got a lady back at your place. Perhaps set a screen saver on your computer with your 10 favorite pictures, and bring the girl by your computer, and start telling them stories behind the photos (make sure to have a bit of a long time interval to give time for the stories.</p>
<p>I don't know, I never go to bars, so I never do night game. It'd never work during the day, though. She'd think you were some kind of freak.</p>