The Paradox Of Sexual Selection

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<p>I think both routines can work in day game. </p>

<p>The photo routine actually works better in day game than night game, because who the hell puts photos they developed in a coat and carry it around all day?</p>

<p>The photo booth routine should work just fine in day game, especially with a bubbly girl. I think it is perfect first date material as well, so you don't necessarily have to use it during pick up. </p>

<p>I wouldn't use a routine you aren't comfortabl with though. There's so many differnet routines you can master, that you don't have to settle for a routine you don't like.</p>

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<p>omg.... u said it SOOOO right!
ur awesome</p>

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<p>Actually i think in the example mystery gave he used the photo routine in a club. But I guess mystery's routines just aren't "congruent" with my personality, hahahaha. If you can make them work, that's good. I couldn't. I don't like canned material in general. Routines and opinion openers just aren't my style.</p>

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<p>Or instead of regurgitating "pickup artist" (I cringe at that word) b.s, performing tricks like a monkey and mystifying the girl with a smoke and mirrors illusion of yourself (which she'll eventually see through), you can work on becoming the real deal.</p>

<p>I don't know how the topic of this thread was hijacked; I was just commenting originally on how the illusion of "scarcity" created by females in society make it a seller's market (look it up) for girls. This is what the OP was trying to say in so many words, I think.</p>

<p>Then I was saying that guys could easily reverse this dilemma if they suddenly made themselves more scarce (instead of being horn dogs, which most of us are ;P). Pardoxically, by guys (collectively, en masse) making themselves more scarce, and actively turning down sex, it would reverse the effects of the market to a point where guys would have an abundance of girls to choose from. Obviously, and unfortunately for us men, this will never happen in the forseeable future, if ever. But it's still an interesting idea, I think.</p>

<p>As to the new topic, male-female dynamics in general (lol), instead of trying to act and say what a confident male with a lot going for him would do/ say, it would be a lot more effective and beneficial in general to actually <em>become</em> a confident man with a lot going for him, rather than playing the part.</p>

<p>You make fun of girls because you don't take every interaction with a girl that seriously; you don't care that much. You're unavailable because you're time is actually valuable, you have a lot to do, and you have options.</p>

<p>You don't gravel or take insults from girls because you have a lot of self respect, an abundance of great people to hang out with, and again, lots of other options.</p>

<p>You're funny and interesting because you love to laugh and your life IS interesting.</p>

<p>A lot of this info you're talking about, although with good intentions, is a bit misguided. It will act as a mere band-aid for much deeper issues. But I still think it's a great idea to get out there and challenge your comfort zones with women. Work on actually BEING the confident man - because honestly, you are already more than enough for women.</p>

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<p>lol. Guys don't have to try to make themselves more scarce. Individual men need to make themselves more desirable to become one of the guys who women actually respond to.</p>

<p>Second, people who use canned material can be extremely confident. They just think that it's more effective than being themselves. Not everyone wants to change their lives to be truthfully interesting. Some people find it easier to just lie. As I said before, this isn't my style, but it works for many.</p>

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<p>Look at it this way peter_parker. Most of the guys that use this stuff start out with pretty boring, womenless lives. After using this material successfully, they are able to have experiences, come up with new stories (true ones this time), etc. and confidence becomes a natural part of them rather than a feigned one. </p>

<p>You should read The Game before you mock the stuff. If anything, it's at least a good book.</p>

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<p>Why do guys need the attention of women to feel good about themselves? I prefer the right hand rule, in both physics and... something else.</p>

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<p>First scene of this movie says it all, lmao SuperNova</a> Tube - Click To Continue</p>

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Why do guys need the attention of women to feel good about themselves? I prefer the right hand rule, in both physics and... something else.

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<p>Look at how society portrays sex... if you're a guy who doesn't get any, you're a failure. It all has to do with ego and low self esteem. It's in the hands of the guy to get over his social conditioning and make his own standards for feeling good about himself.</p>

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Look at how society portrays sex... if you're a guy who doesn't get any, you're a failure. It all has to do with ego and low self esteem. It's in the hands of the guy to get over his social conditioning and make his own standards for feeling good about himself.

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<p>Are priests failures for not getting any? I think your statement has a lot of veracity, but the truth is much more nuanced.</p>

<p>Why is Douglass the high school jock now flipping burgers at McDonalds? Why is Tyrone the gangbangin' balla unable to pay child support?</p>

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<p>Having sex with woman and having relationships is a lot more fulfilling than pleasuring yourself and being lonely. It feels good, very good.</p>

<p>It's not the end all and be all of life, but neither is becoming a professional athlete or winning the nobel prize. It is a significant portion of ones life, and that is why it is important to satisfy yourself in that area, just as you want to satisfy yourself in your intelligence, academics, athletic performance, etc.</p>

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<p>Pleasuring yourself automagically makes you lonely? That's a new one to me.</p>

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Are priests failures for not getting any? I think your statement has a lot of veracity, but the truth is much more nuanced.</p>

<p>Why is Douglass the high school jock now flipping burgers at McDonalds? Why is Tyrone the gangbangin' balla unable to pay child support?

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<p>Nah, because preists are expected to remain abstinent. But your average guy in his teens, 20s, 30s, etc. isn't. I never said that the pressure is logical, but getting sex with women (especially beautiful women) is looked at as the ultimate achievement in movies, etc.</p>

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<p>You and I are smarter than social norms.</p>

<p>The cool dude in the movies is usually Caucasian. Too bad I'm not Caucasian.</p>

<p>The cool dude in the movies is usually muscular. Too bad I'm not muscular.</p>

<p>The cool dude in the movies is usually very sexy. Too bad I'm not super sexy.</p>

<p>Movies life isn't for me, eh?</p>

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<p>I never mocked the stuff. A lot of it can be very helpful. The key is having a filter or be selective about what "excellent advice" you're absorbing.</p>

<p>I'm not judging anyone or any literature; I'm merely trying to be helpful.</p>

<p>If you can manage to do all the palm reading, etc, and preplanned scripts, and get laid with it; that is great, and I'll be happy for you. But it's pretty difficult to deliver pre-scripted topics/ convos naturally and with the same oomph/style as your normal, energetic self. Often times it's how you say something, and your attitude, rather than the specific words themselves. That's the illusion of those training wheels, and I don't want someone using some canned lines, having a girl make out with him <em>in spite of them</em>, and then crediting the lines for his success. You'll learn much faster throwing yourself into situations and realizing no one really gives a shoot what comes out of your mouth rather than falling back into some safety net that is doing more harm than help.</p>

<p>Also, I never said a guy should "make himself scarce." If you actually read, and, here's a big one, UNDERSTOOD my post- you would know what I was talking about. But I'm done writing anything complex on this board.</p>

<p>Here's some free advice: don't seek girl/ guy/ relationship advice on this board - it's a nerdier board filled with young h.s./ college people (myself included).</p>

<p>Btw, I personally know two older women who have slept with Catholic priests. Hopefully I haven't shattered any illusions for anyone.</p>

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<p>I understood what you said. I don't see why you're being so condescending. You said "guys could easily reverse this dilemma if they suddenly made themselves more scarce." All I'm saying is that desirable men are actually scarce and that you can put yourself in a position of power by becoming one. This doesn't help all men... but screw other men, they're just the competition. I realize that you were just presenting the possibility of men becoming more scarce and what would happen, not saying that they necessarily should, but then you said "unfortunately for men, this will never happen," as if all men should care. Well the desirable men would rather have sex 20 times a month since they can do it anyway.</p>

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<p>How do you guys feel about Mystery the Pick Up Artist? He says that because girls are selective, the best approach is to restructure the challenge by using false disqualifies ("negs") on them so that they want you. For instance, he went up to a woman he just met and told her "If I weren't gay, you'd so be my type".</p>

<p>Solid dating advice, or marketing hype aimed at virgins?</p>

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<p>It's effective, I think, but mystery's examples are just stupid. I'd never use the lines that he uses. His method was revised by love systems and made a lot better.</p>

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<p>Mystery is good. I wouldn't take too much dating advice from Mystery, but his attraction advice is spot on.</p>

<p>I think Style is probably the best, and he really is, as noted by him being ranked #1 on the list of best PUA's. He's so good because of his immense intelligence, rockstar persona, and the fact that he was open to taking in everybody's advice. </p>

<p>David DeAngelo is probably your best source for dating advice. He is the guy behind cocky funny. </p>

<p>For anyone interested in this stuff, you should start with The Game by Neil Strauss. Then move on to Double Your Dating by David DeAngelo. After that, probably look at some of the alt.fast.seduction newsgroup posts, and read the Laymen's Guide. Then after that, look at some of the other stuff out there like Real Social Dynamics, Ross Jefferies, and some of David DeAngelo's advance series, and Strauss' second book. </p>

<p>The key, I think, is to follow the main concepts of seduction (check out Mystery's FMAC - Find, Meet, Attract, Close and more important his 13 steps of attraction. Also, check out DeAngelo's phase shifts ebook), and then choose the gambits, routines, openers, closes, etc. that fit your personality, as well as make up new ones once you start to get the hang of it.</p>

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<p>Yeah I haven't read the game or DD's stuff. I have them both on my computer, though, and I'll eventually get around to it. I don't really use any of this strategic pua stuff, but I've still found it useful to have an awareness of certain things. Like mystery's M3 model and whatnot. I actually like RSD's stuff the best... (the blueprint) it focuses more on guys building their self-esteem and confidence instead of building a shield around them with PUA tactics (although, like I said before, you can use these tactics and still be confident). And this will help you in life in general, not only with chicks.</p>