<p>So today I found out, as was said by a few people, that the foreign language requirement is nothing that I need to worry about, since I'm Indian born/ Australian citizen. BUT I still have to do TOEFL?!<em>angry</em></p>
<p>SO that means I have to pay $50 to confirm that I can speak perfect English, even though I can!
Any ideas about how I can avoid this? I asked them if I could waiver this by showing my English grades or SATs...but no go....:(</p>
<p>Michigan is strangely rigid about the TOEFL. I had a 740 on the SAT CR and a 5 on my AP English (took it in 11th grade, so I had the results sent to Michigan along with my application) and they still insisted on my presenting them with the TOEFL.</p>
<p>That;s discouraging. I don;t want to spend $50 for confirming what I already know. I'll talk to their admissions officer...</p>
<p>Let me know what they say. I hope they have become more flexible.</p>
<p>That's really odd...</p>
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<p>Well, they're trying to figure out if you know or don't know - just like with the SAT or any other test you have to take. That said, I do agree that the UM is very weird about a lot of these issues. I'm sure if you talk to someone one on one you might get a more flexible response.</p>
<p>Man, if you are an international and you're gonna be paying for Michigan, 50 bucks is nothing in the long run.</p>
<p>But, rather than spending the money for the TOEFL, can't I just show my English grades? SAT English Scores? Can I have a talk over the phone so they can hear my beautiful Australian accent?:P</p>
<p>Well I sent in a question, response within two days!</p>
<p>I moved here 5 years ago from Europe (not having lived in an English-speaking country before), and I pretty much just chose to ignore their TOEFL requirement.
I got in, and they never bothered asking me for my scores.
So my advice is to simply ignore it.</p>
<p>What sort of scores did you need to get in, miops?</p>
<p>You are exempted if English is your first language, or if you have attended high school in a country where English is the official language (e.g., Australia). Those are the norms.</p>
<p>I think Michigan also makes exceptions for students attending US/Canadian/British international schools ... 'cause none of those students here submit any TOEFL scores.</p>
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SO that means I have to pay $50 to confirm that I can speak perfect English
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How did you manage to pay only $50? It costs $185 to take TOEFL in Australia. The cheapest I've seen is $150.</p>
<p>I had a 780 on my SAT critical reading portion, and a 790 on the writing.
Also a 5 on the AP Language exam.
(Are you asking about English scores or my stats in general?)</p>
<p>@ miops: generally</p>
<p>And go Blue, that's even worse!</p>
<p>Okay, well, I got a 2340 on my SAT. (770 math)
35 ACT
5 APs last year, all 5s on the exams
(Chem, Calc BC, Eng. Language, both Physics C)
4.0 GPA unweighted/ 4.0 Umich GPA
Um... what else is there?
3 APs plus a college math class this year. The other classes (notAPs) are Anatomy and Pathology and Microbiology&Genetics 2nd sem.
Um.................
I work about 20 hrs. a week in a restaurant, and I'm pretty involved in robotics.
And as for my extracurriculars:
Robotics team: Communications Captain: 9th-12th
French Club: Marketing Captain: 9th-12th
Volunteering at the Older Person's Commission since 10th grade
Church Youth Group: 9th-12th</p>
<p>lol, you would get in MIT with that stat</p>
<p>Well, the point was that they waived the TOEFL requirement/didn't even bother checking.</p>
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I moved here 5 years ago from Europe (not having lived in an English-speaking country before), and I pretty much just chose to ignore their TOEFL requirement.
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If you attended high school in the States, you are exempted from taking the TOEFL.</p>
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And go Blue, that's even worse!
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Yup, it's a total rip-off. Did you attend an international school? Where did you pick up your beautiful Australian accent?</p>
<p>GoBlue, I think that if you attended HS in the US, you aren't necessarily exempted, but you can send them a letter asking them to waive the requirement.
I'm pretty sure that's what I read on the umich website.</p>
<p>@ Go Blue, I live in Australia, so I naturally picked up the accent from here. I attend a regular public school, a very good one at that though.</p>