<p>megaman: U.S. could learn something about medicine frm Canada? How to run a bloated inefficient socialist hellhole that drives doctors and patients alike south into the U.S.?</p>
<p>Most medical experts agree that socialized medicine does not equal better medicine.</p>
<p>probably so, but it probably does mean that more people will have access to medicine.</p>
<p>Yeah, after a long, tiring wait.</p>
<p>Plusses and minuses.</p>
<p>Love:
Capitalism
The Marketplace of Ideas
Talk Radio
Charles Krauthammer
Microsoft
iPods
Consumerism
ESPN
Poker
Oh yeah, and patriotism
FOX News and the BBC
The Wallstreet Journal</p>
<p>Hate:
Self-righteous vegetarians
The NYTimes
DailyKos
CNN, ABC, and CBS
Progressive Income Taxes
Hillary Clinton</p>
<p>Oh, and OpenSource Software is DEFINITELY not an American product. I wish it was, but alas, no.</p>
<p>SonataX,</p>
<p>Are you even old enough to be affected by a progressive income tax?</p>
<p>And what is up with everyone's hard on for hating Hillary Clinton? I'd like to see some reasons.</p>
<p>Love:<br>
Free speech</p>
<p>Hate:
Patriotism, because as Bertrand Russel said:
Patriotism is the willingness to kill and be killed for trivial reasons.
~ Bertrand Russell</p>
<p>Ok, I'll tell you what I hate about America, and its only one thing. People who say they hate other Americans (i.e. racists, Republicans who hate Democrats, and vice versa). Thats the reason the country is so divided right now. Both parties should work together to get something accomplished, but all people do is vote for the most extreme on the either side. It sucks, but its how things are right now.</p>
<p>VolMan,</p>
<p>In case you missed it, that's American history in a nutshell.</p>
<p>Ari: Hillary = Socialized Medicine.</p>
<p>UCLAri,
I believe the vast majority of us conservative CCers bash on Hillary because of her political agenda. Remember in the 90s whe she tried to pass socialized medicine? According to nations such as Canada, Great Britain( I believe), Socialized med does not work. She also is against privatizing social security. She believes the more government intervention, the better. She is also related to William J. Clinton, the embarrassment of this nation. We would have been better off with Ross Perot than he.
I also dislike Hillary because she loves to point fingers. During Cheney's shooting incident, Hillary was first on air to accuse the Bush administration.</p>
<p>neverborn,</p>
<p>Socialized medicine is by no means perfect, but are you telling me that the status quo in America is working? I'd say no.</p>
<p>Justinian,</p>
<p>That's hardly enough of a reason to froth at the mouth as so many conservatives on the site do. Besides, I can think of much more liberal politicians than Clinton. Kucinich comes to mind. </p>
<p>What makes me laugh when all the CCers froth at the mouth is how most of them are too young to even put any of this in context. I can hardly put it in context. I know that political socialization starts young, but for cripe's sake, let a few elections go by before you start entrenching yourself in a party line.</p>
<p>I'm a little bit suspicious of Hillary Clinton. Even though she's a democrat, she has strong neoconservative tendencies.</p>
<p>Hate: College Gen-Ed requirements.</p>
<p>Ari: Too much government interference and support of insurance industry.</p>
<p>pianoman: ROFL.</p>
<p>neverborn,</p>
<p>There are so many problems with how medicine is run, and you're unfortunately only dealing with the tip of a very nefarious iceberg.</p>
<p>True, but socialized anything is morally wrong and does not work.</p>
<p>neverborn please enlighten me, how is anything socialized inherently wrong?</p>
<p>Joev, exurbanization is basically the suburbanization of suburbs. Densely populated suburbs become new "cores" for jobs, culture, etc. instead of the traditional downtown, and you get this network effect and more suburbs. It's a big thing down here in ATL; we have 28 counties in the area total (about 7000 or 8000 sq mi in area) , 21,000 miles of road (I think), and traffic that would make your head spin.</p>
<p>That's what it looks like in comparison to the rest of the state and other metros. That's why if you come down here, you'll here the joke saying most of your trip getting out of the state is actually getting out of the ATL metro. </p>
<p>My personal loves?</p>
<p>Love:
SUBURBANIZATION (hate being crowded, plus houses are cheaper and you actually DO get to live where you want)</p>
<p>Freeways- Love driving and the architecture</p>
<p>The South</p>
<p>ATL</p>
<p>Coca-Cola</p>
<p>Post-Secondary Education System-It's awesome because we get to choose, they're competitive, they teach us things we might actually use (sometimes, depending on your major/school) and even the "lower level" ones are pretty decent.</p>
<p>Hates:
Pepsi (it's blasphemy in Atlanta; though, Dr. Pepper is good)</p>
<p>Portland, OR (that "no-build zone" crap they have is unconstitutional, and poor people can't afford to live there)</p>
<p>Los Angeles, CA (sorry, not my cup of tea)</p>
<p>OC- (<em>shudders</em> Laguna Beach)</p>
<p>Southern California in general (despite the neat freeway designs)</p>
<p>MTV- They have no right to call themselves "music television" when they don't play music anymore</p>
<p>Primary/Secondary Education System- I wish they'd vary it up a little and let us choose where to go to school</p>
<p>things I don't like:</p>
<ul>
<li>strip malls</li>
<li>Hummers on city streets (if you're that insecure, therapy is a cheaper alternative)</li>
<li>double standards</li>
<li>underfunding of the education system, especially with so much being spent on war</li>
<li>dismissal of the arts (because "it doesn't bring in money")</li>
<li>emphasis on money in general</li>
<li>"intelligent design"</li>
<li>syndicated comics (bar Get Fuzzy)</li>
<li>the 21+ drinking age</li>
</ul>
<p>things I do like, very much:</p>
<ul>
<li>the diversity, geographically and culturally</li>
<li>the people. maybe it's because I live out west, but people are generally laid-back.</li>
<li>the opportunities for higher education</li>
<li>jazz and rockabilly</li>
<li>Sufjan Stevens (it's cheesy, but his music makes me proud to be American)</li>
<li>the Pacific Northwest</li>
<li>Apple computers</li>
</ul>
<p>
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the freedom to express your opinion... unfortunately ( I have no idea how to transalte this, so all of you who know spanish help me out) sometimes this "libertad se vuelve libertinaje"
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</p>
<p>"this freedom turns to licentiousness"</p>
<p>^I'd have to disagree with the argument of education being underfunded. We spend more on education than any other country in the world (both per pupil and in total), we've upped total funding on education in real dollars AND inflated dollars, yet countries which spend less than us get better results. The reason is because we spend too much money on crap out of class, especially administrators (do they need 70K per yr while the teacher is payed 35-50K per yr?). We should teach teachers how to keep discipline in their classes, not hire someone to give misbehaving students to. </p>
<p>Also, the only curriculum available in most places is "College Prep," even though many students don't want to go to college. We should focus on building more "specialty schools" which cater to certain students (i.e. vocational schools for those who don't plan on attending college, ESOL schools to help those who don't speak English both learn English and learn basic subject matter, college prep academies, foreign language schools, science/math schools, and as you said, art magnet schools). Unfortunately, this is a good idea that the people would probably like so it will never pass in any state.</p>