<p>Princeton tops Ivy League in difficulty of admission.</p>
<p>last year it was yale</p>
<p>What statistics are they basing this list on?</p>
<p>yea what exactly are they basing these statistics on? University of St. Louis is harder to get into than Columbia or UPenn? An admission into Brown is more difficult to achieve than an admission into Yale or Stanford?? I find this very hard to believe.</p>
<p>Yale's applicant pool went down this year, so that could explain why I suppose.</p>
<p>As an update, here's the complete list of the top 20.</p>
<p>1 Massachusetts Institute of Technology
2 Princeton University
3 Harvard College
4 Brown University
5 Yale University
6 California Institute of Technology
7 Stanford University
8 Washington University in St. Louis
9 University of Pennsylvania
10 Columbia University--Columbia College
11 Duke University
12 Williams College
13 Pomona College
14 Middlebury College
15 Swarthmore College
16 Georgetown University
17 Franklin W. Olin College of Engineering
18 Amherst College
19 Dartmouth College
20 Haverford College</p>
<p>good game...i got rejected from franklin w. olin...now i don't have chance at anywhere :(</p>
<p>Middlebury and Georgetown before Amherst? Puuuuhhhlease. Middlebury abuses the admissions process to up their rankings. </p>
<p>Edit: Brown before Yale and Stanford?? This list is absurd.</p>
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Middlebury abuses the admissions process to up their rankings.
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How?(10 char)</p>
<p>As a rule of thumb, most things by The Princeton Review are nothing short of baloney.</p>
<p>That said, I'd be interested in seeing a metric for selectivity that's better than "acceptance rate", and takes into account SAT scores and class ranks of applicants (i.e. a ranking that does what TPR is purportedly doing).</p>
<p>"How?(10 char)"</p>
<p>February admits, selective test reporting (submitting only average test scores of those who had submitted the SAT, rather than the entire student body), plus ED II.</p>
<p>Who cares...anyone who gets into any of those 20 schools (and even a bit 'below' that) should be incredibly happy to go there.</p>
<p>Unregistered, do some research</p>
<p>Middlebury started reporting scores for the entire student body a few years ago. Feb admits basically fill in the spots that transfer matriculants would claim at any other school. EDI and II admittees together only fill 40% of the middlebury freshman class. Of course, that percentage is lower at Amherst because a mere 350 students apply ED there each year compared to the 900 (about 650 for EDI) who pen Midd as a first choice. Amherst's ED acceptance rate approaches 40%, whereas Midd's hovers around 25%. </p>
<p>That said, Amherst and Dartmouth are indisputably harder to get into than Middlebury. Most people I know here were rejected or waitlisted at one or the other...though a substantial number picked Midd over both.</p>
<p>...350 EDers to Amherst? Puhlease. </p>
<p>I know that Middlebury now reports all test scores (whooopee!) and perhaps my original post was misleading in that sense, but it was still a strategic way that they did, in the past, attempt to make themselves appear more selective.</p>
<p>And the transfer bit is irrelevant. Are you going to pretend that only reporting the admit rate for September admits is not another form of manipulation?</p>
<p>I have no doubt that ED to Amherst is less selective than RD to Amherst, though I'm sure the caliber of those students applying to Amherst is higher and the raw numbers tell very little. Your figure on the "mere 350" EDers to Amherst is waaay off base, though.</p>
<p>Straight from collegeboard</p>
<p>Number of Amherst ED applications for 2010: 393</p>
<p>Number Middlebury ED applications for 2010: 905</p>
<p>So I was slightly off</p>
<p>Where is the breakdown for ED I and II? Amherst's 2011 numbers are well over 400, but there are a few things to take into consideration concerning ED. ie, Middlebury's ED I application due date is a full 15 days later than most elite schools. I am willing to bet that a significant number of kids who may have been waffling about ED took advantage of that. I would also like to know the number of students who applied ED to Middlebury, were deferred and later accepted, as they would not be included under "ED admittances". Many students also apply ED II to Middlebury, I'm sure, after a rejection or deferral from their actual first choice. It would be very misleading to imply that Middlebury is the first choice of far more students than Amherst (I'm sure that if you took into consideration all of the students who were admitted to both schools, or eligible for admittance into both schools, you would find this to be very far from the case). Do you really think that Middlebury was the first choice for the majority of ED II applicants?</p>
<p>I wouldn't argue that Middlebury is a first choice school for more students than Amherst, but you need to get some of your facts straight.</p>
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there are a few things to take into consideration concerning ED. ie, Middlebury's ED I application due date is a full 15 days later than most elite schools. I am willing to bet that a significant number of kids who may have been waffling about ED took advantage of that.
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<p>That's simply incorrect.
Middlebury ED I pre-application supplement due: Nov 1
Middlebury ED I common application due: Nov 15
Amherst ED application due: Nov 15</p>
<p>If anything, Middlebury's ED I pre-application supplement is due a full 15 days BEFORE Amherst's ED application is due.</p>
<p>Sources:
<a href="http://www.middlebury.edu/admissions/applying/rfd/%5B/url%5D">http://www.middlebury.edu/admissions/applying/rfd/</a>
<a href="http://www.amherst.edu/admission/important_info/calendars_deadlines.html%5B/url%5D">http://www.amherst.edu/admission/important_info/calendars_deadlines.html</a></p>
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I would also like to know the number of students who applied ED to Middlebury, were deferred and later accepted, as they would not be included under "ED admittances".
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<p>Nor would those ED applicants who were deferred by Amherst be included under Amherst's "ED admittances"--what's your point?</p>
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Many students also apply ED II to Middlebury, I'm sure, after a rejection or deferral from their actual first choice.
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<p>793 students applied to Middlebury under the ED I program this year (NOT counting ED II applicants). </p>
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Amherst's 2011 numbers are well over 400
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<p>350 students applied to Amherst this year under the ED program.
From the Amherst Student newspaper:
"The Admission Committee finalized their early decision acceptances yesterday and will be sending out letters notifying candidates for the Class of 2011 of their status tomorrow. The committee has voted to accept 134 of the 350 applicants, defer 175 candidates and reject 38 students. The early decision acceptance rate currently stands at 38 percent."</p>
<p>I don't know if someone else has already said this, but I find rankings like this to be extremely stupid. I don't see how one college can go from being 1st to 5th in one year. It doesn't really make sense, and I, personally, don't give credence to things like this.</p>
<p>Thank you, I guess I was misinformed about some things. I asked about who is accepted after being deferred because I think it's an important question when determining ED selectivity, and obviously varies greatly from school to school.</p>
<p>for the record, 793 people applied EDI to midd this year (more than twice that of Amherst).</p>
<p><a href="http://www.middlebury.edu/welcome%5B/url%5D">www.middlebury.edu/welcome</a></p>
<p>honestly though, Amherst's ED applicant pool is probably somewhat stronger than midd's....and the school really does trump middlebury in all other areas of selectivity.</p>