<p>Is this right?</p>
<p>MIT
Penn
WashU
Cornell
Emory
Notre Dame
Berkeley
Georgetown
Virginia
Michigan</p>
<p>Michigan should be excluded from your list if you are going by the most recent USN&WR ranking. It just missed the Top 25 cutoff this year.</p>
<p>I think Carnegie Mellon has undergrad business as well.</p>
<p>EDIT: I assume you mean the top 25 schools that have undergrad business, and not the top 25 undergrad business programs, as those are different.</p>
<p>Yes. I'm only interested in USNWR top 25 universities that happen to have business programs. I'll check on Carnegie Mellon. Thank you.</p>
<p>MIT
Penn
WashU
Cornell
Emory
Notre Dame
Berkeley
Carnegie Mellon
Georgetown
Virginia</p>
<p>Yes Michigan just missed the top 25 USNWR ratings. By all means don't apply there.</p>
<p>I smell prejudice here. To be frank with the OP, Ross, the business school of UMich, is superior to more than half of your so-called top 25 universities. You would have better career opportunities coming out from Ross than from more than half of your top 25 universities.</p>
<p>RML. Michigan overall is superior, or just as good, to more than half of the so called top 25 on the USNWR list.</p>
<p>It's refreshing to be accused of being biased against U-M. LOL. I was merely being factual. Whether or not the OP is wise to use the "Top 25" cutoff is another question.</p>
<p>I know hoedown. I understood your point.</p>
<p>[quite=1789] I'm only interested in USNWR top 25 universities that happen to have business programs.
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<p>It's your choice, of course, but to me this just seems downright silly. Why would you exclude a school like Michigan which ranks #26 overall in the USNWR rankings of national universities, but according to USNWR has the #3-ranked undergrad business program, a truly outstanding school? And yet you would include Georgetown that at #23 ranks only a whisker ahead of Michigan in the overall USNWR rankings but according to USNWR has only the 21st-ranked undergrad business program---not terrible by any means, but hardly in the same class as Michigan in undergrad business?</p>
<p>1789,
I think it would be helpful if you explained what you are looking for in a college, ie, what type of business education you are hoping for and is there some post-graduate positioning angle that you are trying to play? I ask this because many top colleges (like Dartmouth) have no undergraduate business program yet their students regularly are among the most recruited in the USA. Likewise, there are many schools outside the USNWR Top 25 with superior profiles in certain geographies and work disciplines. </p>
<p>As for the earlier comments, about U Michigan and its undergrad business, I would agree with rjko as it is one of the top undergrad programs of its type in the USA. Here is a list of Business Week's rankings of top 25 undergraduate business schools:</p>
<p>1 U Penn (Wharton)
2 U Virginia (McIntire)
3 Notre Dame (Mendoza)
4 Cornell
5 Emory (Goizueta)
6 U Michigan (Ross)
7 BYU (Marriott)
8 NYU (Stern)
9 MIT (Sloan)
10 U Texas (McCombs)
11 UC Berkeley (Haas)
12 U North Carolina (Kenan)
13 Villanova
14 Boston College
15 Wash U (Olin)
16 Indiana U (Kelley)
17 USC (Marshall)
18 U Illinois
19 Georgetown (McDonough)
20 U Richmond
21 Wake Forest
22 Carnegie Mellon (Tepper)
23 SMU (Cox)
24 Miami U (Farmer)
25 Lehigh</p>
<p>** extends secret Michigan cabal handshake/gang sign to rjknovi **</p>
<p>Naturally hawkette would show Businessweek's rankings that show Michigan at number six instead of the USNWR ones. LOL.</p>
<p>The Businessweek rankings are stupid. Programs get punished for harsh grading policies. College students have become a bunch of entitled whiners...truly sad.</p>
<p>I don't know about Haas, but Ross grading can be pretty brutal. The administration of the school insists on a distribution, so no matter how many gunners you have in a class, they can't all get As and Bs.</p>
<p>Not to mention UCB that Mendoza is way overrated there and Hass underrated. ;-)</p>
<p>rjko,
I think it is clear that the BW rankings are a better gauge for students than what comes from USWNR. In comparing the rankings for undergraduate business schools, there are great differences between how Business Week performs this task and how USNWR does it.</p>
<p>Business Week's methodology measures nine different factors related to student satisfaction, post-graduate outcomes, and academic quality. They ranked 96 colleges with input from nearly 23,000 students (who filled out a 50-question survey), and nearly 250 recruiters who evaluated things like the quality of a school's graduates, how innovative the students were, how effective the career services are, etc. They also compared the academic environments based on objective data points like standardized test scores, student/faculty ratios, class sizes, etc. The weightings for the BW rankings were 30% student surveys, 20% recruiter surveys, 10% starting pay levels, 10% MBA feeder strength, and 30% academic environment/quality. </p>
<p>USNWR's methodology surveyed academics only and asked them their opinion on how they would rank the various schools that they were familiar enough with to pass judgment. These opinions made up 100% of the USNWR rankings. </p>
<p>Finally, I would like to repeat that, if a highly competitive industry is the student's target, one need not attend a college with an undergraduate business program. There are many top national universities that do not provide undergraduate business programs and yet successfully place their students as well as many of the highly ranked schools on either list. Furthermore, let's not neglect the LAC universe which likewise sends a lot of quality graduates into highly sought after, and often high paying, positions.</p>
<p>Thanks for the BW rankings Hawkette. It looks like the the ten I originally posted plus Carnegie Mellon are in both the BW and USNWR top 25 rankings. (I'll include Michigan because they have historically been a top 25 and have a very highly rated b-school). Also, since student selectivity and a university's overall reputation are also important to me I think the Ivy and LAC option is also attractive, but I'm not there yet, and don't want to rule out b-school at this point. I just want to keep the b-school educational option on the table and isolate the most selective/competitive universities that offer a solid business education.</p>
<p>Penn
MIT
Cornell
WashU
Emory
Notre Dame
Michigan
Virginia
Berkeley
Carnegie Mellon
Georgetown</p>
<p>1789,
I don't think anyone is suggesting that you rule out b-school, now or in the future, but I would contend that looking for a college solely thru this prism would be a mistake. Furthermore, it is a the fact that each of these schools (and many other very good colleges) would position you differently according to the industry and geography. Is there some ultimate post-graduate goal that you are pursuing? These are pretty different schools and I would describe any student who applied to all of these as being a little misguided.</p>
<p>hawkette, </p>
<p>Do you honestly believe that Notre Dame (Mendoza), Cornell, Emory (Goizueta), BYU (Marriott) and NYU (Stern) are all superior to MIT (Sloan) and Berkeley (Haas)?</p>