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<li>University of California - Berkeley</li>
<li>University of Michigan - Ann Arbor</li>
<li>University of California - Los Angeles</li>
<li>University of Wisconsin - Madison</li>
<li>University of North Carolina - Chapel Hill</li>
<li>University of Texas - Austin</li>
<li>University of Virginia</li>
<li>University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign</li>
<li>University of Washington - Seattle</li>
<li>University of California - San Diego</li>
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<p>When you examine everything that a public university has to offer in terms of undergraduate/graduate student quality, professor quality, research, professional schools and the breadth of success in these areas, this is roughly how the rankings pan out.</p>
<p>UCSD falls because it does not have the resources of the flagships. University of Virginia falls because of it’s lack of breadth at the graduate level. William & Mary takes a hit for the same reason but on a greater scale. That doesn’t make it an “issue” that the schools need to address though. William & Mary and UVa are smaller and have greater focuses on providing outstanding undergraduate experiences which they absolutely excel at.</p>
<p>Top Tier: Berkeley, Michigan, UVA, Penn State</p>
<p>Second Tier: UCLA, UNC, Texas, Wisconsin, GA Tech, Illinois</p>
<p>Penn State in the first tier? Seriously??</p>
<p>hawkette, as the title of this thread suggests, this is all about prestige, as in, the top ten most prestigious public universities (in America). And based on that, I don’t think W&M would rank higher than Berkeley, UM, UVa and UCLA. There’s no way W&M would rank higher than any of the 4 schools I mentioned in the prestige race. </p>
<p>I also denounce your idea that subject/major strength is useless in choosing for an undergraduate school. Although such thing may not be the standard practice amongst the HS kids, there is still a vast number of HS kids these days that choose a college based on the strength of the program. I think it’s odd when a bright young chap who’s dreaming to become an engineer would rather head to W&M when he has the money, brain and opportunity to attend Berkeley eng’g.</p>
<p>kmccrindle - please copy/paste where I said this. You can’t because I did not make the statement. On the contrary, it is rjk that made the statement that Michigan blows away UC Berkeley in music, the #3 ranked music department in the country.</p>
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<p>Is it just me or are most people overlooking UCSD… Its probably because its overshadowed by Cal and UCLA.</p>
<p>alam1, give it about 5 years and UCSD is going to be passing UCLA…as it has already done in many departments</p>
<p>“kmccrindle - please copy/paste where I said this. You can’t because I did not make the statement. On the contrary, it is rjk that made the statement that Michigan blows away UC Berkeley in music, the #3 ranked music department in the country.”</p>
<p>As was plainly stated, UCB has third highest ranked music department at the phD level in musicology. That is the only area where there is any ranking to be found online. That is like saying that Duke is better in engineering then MIT because it’s biomed eng. program is higher ranked. kmccrindle made it quite clear why Michigan is more prestigious than Berkeley in music. If you chose not to believe it, that’s your perrogative. Those in the know are quite away which school is superior overall in music.</p>
<p>JohnAdams12, it takes a very, very long time to build a name in the academic world, so I doubt 5 years would be enough for UCSD to overtake UCLA in the prestige race. I’m guessing that Berkeley would remain the number 1 most prestigious State U in America, and UMich, UVa and UCLA would still occupy the next 2 to 4 places for a very, very long time.</p>
<p>I think that if Berkeley can cut the percentage of their Asian students at the undergrad level down to around 30% and increase the number of White/Caucasian students, then Berkeley’s prestige would even rise dramatically.</p>
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The Cal Fall Career Fair has a list of 81 pages of companies. The Cal EECS Career Fair is in addition to that.</p>
<p>Global companies recruit nation-wide though they might recruit through their local/regional office. What you should look at is the “Work Location(s)”. For example, Cisco recruited through their San Jose office but the jobs were for San Jose, CA; Research Triangle Park, NC; Boxborough, MA; and Richardson, TX. Google recruited through their Mountain View office but the jobs were for various cities in the US. Hewlett Packard recruited through their HQs in Palo Alto but the jobs were for nationwide. None of these companies showed up at the UVa career fair.</p>
<p>If you were an engineer, you would have recognized the quality (not just quantity) of the engineering companies attending UCB’s career fairs. UVa is not in the same league.</p>
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<p>Haha, I see you’re a UVA future student, sorry to leave your school out of the list :(</p>
<p>I guess I’m making my list on what I perceive as reputable and where I’m from. Not a whole lot of people in my area/school go to UVA or UNC, but I do know they are top notch schools. Also, I’m also putting a lot of emphasis in engineering majors, which can be considered the hottest major in the nation, so that’s why certain schools like UIUC and UT austin and UW are in that list.</p>
<p>Plus, they have semi-good business programs as well, rangining in the 10-15 range regarding rank. UVA and UNC are awesome in undergrad business, but like I said this is just my opinion, just not a whole lot of people in my district/area want to go to those schools.</p>
<p>lovelygarcia, Any reason why you left out Michigan and UNC? Those two are usually ranked among the top 5 in the nation. </p>
<p>Are any rate, JHU, UCSF and Yale offer Nursing as a graduate program only. </p>
<p>For undergrad AND graduate nursing, Michigan, Penn, UDub and UNC are generally considered among the top 5…and all four programs belong to top universities overall and have excellent campus environments.</p>
<p>Tier 1: Cal and Michigan
Tier 2: UCLA, UNC, UVA, Wisconsin, Washington
Tier 3: Texas, UCSD, UC Davis, William and Mary, Illinois, Georgia Tech</p>
<p>The difference between the tiers is minimal.</p>
<p>For what it is worth: In the Times Higher Education (THE) – QS World University Rankings 2009, McGill was ranked the best public university in North America, and 18th in the world. .</p>
<p>[Times</a> Higher Education](<a href=“Times Higher Education home | Times Higher Education (THE)”>World University Rankings | Times Higher Education (THE))</p>
<p>RML,
In answer to your comment, I made clear that my “rankings” were based on UNDERGRADUATE education and how I arrived at my list.</p>
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<p>As for your comments on W&M, I suspect that what you know about that school could fit into a thimble. It’s a very fine school with good students, demanding faculty that are very much involved with the undergraduate population, and regularly produce very solid, very good people. Intellectually you won’t find much difference between them and what comes out of your beloved UC Berkeley. But you will often find differences in manner and sense of personal place as it’s rare to encounter much conceit in the typical W&M graduate. </p>
<p>BTW, W&M does not have engineering except thru combined programs via Columbia and RPI. I would agree with the view that for students wanting engineering, this decision must typically occur very early and obviously school choice would consequential here, ie, I would be hard pressed to recommend W&M for prospective engineers. Similar issue for U North Carolina and its lack of an engineering school. We probably disagree, but IMO, the lack of an engineering school does not diminish a school, eg, it doesn’t seem to have hurt several of the Ivies that have very small engineering programs.</p>
<p>Hawkette, all the Ivies have engineering programs.</p>
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<p>There, JohnAdams, I am quoting the erroneous/or sophist part of YOUR statement that somehow suggests UCB is in any way a top school for music. You also said you have not seen any evidence to suggest that Michigan SOM could “blow away” UCB, but it is clear from my post that indeed it can and does if we are actually talking about MUSIC, not the study of music history (aka musicology).</p>
<p>The failure to grasp this is teetering on the brink of trollism ;)</p>
<p>you people lead sad lives</p>