<p>collegehelp, your logic is flawed. Why are math-focused foreigners given a pass? How do you learn from them? They point to their problem set to communicate? This?..Right? :rolleyes:</p>
<p>Your list says zero about another factor that makes up a university…the faculty.</p>
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Selectivity Rank:
UCB=14
Michigan/UCLA=24
UVa=29
W&M=32</p>
<p>Here is a ranking based on math + verbal SAT 25th percentile:</p>
<p>1250 Georgia Institute of Technology-Main Campus
1240 College of William and Mary
1230 University of Michigan-Ann Arbor
1230 University of Virginia-Main Campus
1210 University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill
1200 University of California-Berkeley
1200 University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
1200 University of Maryland-College Park
1190 SUNY at Binghamton
1170 University of Wisconsin-Madison
1160 University of Pittsburgh-Pittsburgh Campus
1150 University of California-Los Angeles
1140 University of California-San Diego
1140 University of Florida</p>
<p>I think you would find that the quality of the student body as measured by the SAT scores is highly correlated with the quality of the faculty. If you know one, you pretty much know the other.</p>
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<a href=“http://cds.berkeley.edu/pdfs/DRAFT%20MASTER%20WORD%20DOC%2009-10.pdf[/url]”>http://cds.berkeley.edu/pdfs/DRAFT%20MASTER%20WORD%20DOC%2009-10.pdf</a>
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Normalize for UG student body size and you’re headed down the right path.</p>
<p>What is more impressive?: A student body average 25% SAT of 1230 with 5,000 students or 50,000 students? What college do you think is doing a better job attracting the better students?</p>
<p>^ I understand your point. The Berkeley student body contains the equivalent of the Harvard student body plus a few thousand others.</p>
<p>By the way, I think the CDS and IPEDS SAT data should agree. Someone at Berkeley screwed up in their reporting. Unless there is a definitional difference I am not aware of.</p>
<p>I do take one issue with the SAT ranks. Texas schools (specifically UT) are required to admit a student if he graduates within top 8% of his school. Therefore a student could get in with a low SAT score, because he did well in his class. This would drag the 25% SAT score down, while the school still admits a ton of kids with really high SATs. Why look specifically at the 25%?</p>
<p>Any ranking that doesn’t rank UC Berkeley as by far the most prestigious public university is just plain silly.</p>
<p>it is UC Berkeley, then all the rest…way way below…</p>
<p>there isn’t even a debate on this one.</p>
<p>“Any ranking that doesn’t rank UC Berkeley as by far the most presitigious public university is just plain silly.”</p>
<p>JohnAdams, your use of logic, statistics, and evidence is inspirational. Please tell me they didn’t teach you that style of argumentation at UCB.</p>
<p>Collegehlep, the other factor you didn’t consider when you talk about the SAT is Berkeley’s “socialist system”. In any other state, if you are a high-achieving student and you receive the Regent Scholarship, you’ll get a free ride and possibly some spening money regardless of family income, but not Berkeley. At Berkely, if your EFC is higher than the COA, you only got $1000. As a result, a lot up-middle class high achieving students, opt to go to Ivy League and other highly regarded schools, taking the high SAT with them. If Berkely gives free ride for high achieving studens regardless of family income as some other schools do, it SAT scores would be much higher.</p>
<p>In addition, you should take a look at the 75% percentile which is probably more meaningful.</p>
<p>Schmaltz, actually I used my knowledge obtained from getting my undergraduate degree in ChE from Princeton and my MBA from Stanford…but I would have been very proud to have attended UCB otherwise - the most prestigious public university in the world…</p>
<p>thanks for asking though</p>
<p>In fact, would you kindly suggest another public university that is more prestigious?</p>
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<p>JA, using your amazing method of argumentation, I can claim that Benny Hill Community College is #1 and any views to the contrary are silly.</p>
<p>Schmaltz, ahhh, but if you claimed this, then you would be considered a moron, wouldn’t you?</p>
<p>you see, UC Berkeley’s overpowering lead among Public schools prestige is so substantial that I do not have to back it up with any stats…but if you would like, I would have no problem…just let me know what your public school alma mater is and I will start the analysis and comparison.</p>
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<p>One of us is a moron. The more you type, the more it becomes clear which one of us it is.</p>
<p>I’m not going to put an order but in general I think it’s probably made up from:</p>
<p>Berkeley, UMich, UCLA, UCSD, UT, UVa, UMD, UIUC, Georgia Tech, Penn State, Cornell (if you call it public), OSU, MSU, UNC, Purdue, Wisconsin, and UC-Boulder.</p>
<p>I might have a mid-western bias though…</p>
<p>Schmalts as you continue with the insults, you were asked to provide the public university which you feel is more prestigious than UC Berkeley so that I can spend some time to compare…</p>
<p>chop chop, please provide the info requested…</p>
<p>Some time ago, I came up with a ranking of universities by prestige based on a variety of data sources (see <a href=“http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/college-search-selection/880855-universities-ranked-prestige.html[/url]”>http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/college-search-selection/880855-universities-ranked-prestige.html</a>). From that, the public universities that made it into the top 30 are ranked:
<p>JohnAdams12, how about starting with proving that Haas is better than Ross?</p>
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<p>Yeah Texas! Way to go potatoes!!</p>
<p>Haha, I’m just rooting for Texas because I chose it over Berkeley, UCLA, and Michigan all from out of state (I’m from Oregon).</p>
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Cambridge and Oxford faculty, students, and alumni just raised a collective eyebrow.</p>