U of R vs. Tufts vs. Williams

<p>snuffles, </p>

<p>you and your friend can check out this page - but here are the quotes concerning the Baylor University/BCM relationship:</p>

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The young medical school needed a true affiliation with an established university to survive, and, in 1903, an alliance was formed with Baylor University in Waco. At that time, the name changed to Baylor University College of Medicine.

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<p>and</p>

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In 1969, by mutual agreement, the College separated from Baylor University to become an independent institution. This encouraged broader, nonsectarian support and provided access to federal research funding. The institution's name changed to Baylor College of Medicine.

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<p>The complete history can be found here: <a href="http://www.bcm.edu/about/history.cfm%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://www.bcm.edu/about/history.cfm&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p>

<p>Sorry to hijack this post; snuffles doesn't have PMs on!</p>

<p>just found some more info about U of R undergrads acceptance to med school.</p>

<p><a href="http://www.rochester.edu/College/CCAS/medaccept.html%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://www.rochester.edu/College/CCAS/medaccept.html&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p>

<p>It shows where every medical student has gone for the past 5 years. . .and their average GPA and Science GPA. It's a pretty good record. Just shows that if you work hard you can get into many good schools here.</p>

<p>Sorry that I'm only sharing info about U of R and a little on Williams. . . . but I know so much about U of R since I'm probably going there, and one of my best friends applied to Williams, so I know a little bit about that from visiting campus as well. So if I come accross one sided, sorry, just trying to put out the information I've come accross. . . .</p>

<p>Hm. I wonder how they distinguish the overlap. Are those matriculations?</p>

<p>btw Jen, thanks for the link. It was most informative.</p>

<p>there was an article about where williams students get their law, medical, and business degrees. I think Harvard was the number one for all three.</p>

<p>StPlayr--where are you coming from? Do you live in NY?</p>

<p>KhanTim--thanks, i agree that they're all good, i think it's going to come down to money (hopefully not entirely) and revisists...the last time i was at tufts was almost 2 years ago, and over a year ago when i visited UofR</p>

<p>elady, I'm from Lake George, NY. . . .</p>

<p>Snuffles, And I'm not sure about the stats, I'd assume they're matriculations to avoid overlap, although I am not positive, if they did it other way it would be deceiving, not to say there's anything at all preventing them from putting out deceiving data. Just an interesting thing I found on their website. . . . .there were some big names in there, but with a few going to each. . . .there are a ton continuing to rochester med, they also do quite well with Cornell, and Tufts med.</p>

<p>I wonder if there is a way to find the avg gpa of the graduating class? How about for each Dept? (this is for UR)</p>

<p>i just found out i was waitlisted at WUSTL, does this mean I won't get into Williams?</p>

<p>The avg. gpa will of rochester should be the lowest out of the schools because supposively Rochester is the hardest college to get an A at</p>

<p>Hopkins, you make various claims, but you haven't supported your assertions once other than that they seem to be anecdotal evidence. Source?</p>

<p>Hopkins is just trying to boost U of R. </p>

<p>Hmm...hardest school to get an A at, yet grad schools don't know it...seems like a raw deal to me.</p>

<p>Well I think the grad schools do know it, it's just not as profound as he makes it out to be.</p>

<p>Yeah they know it, but they aren't going to give the a GPA from U of R a boost vs. other schools in its group.</p>

<p>So it actually sounds bad. I have no idea why some people are proud of their schools grade deflation.</p>

<p>Slipper if you are saying that I am trying to boost UR, then I will have to say that both you and snuffles are trying to boost Williams and Tufts...
You are telling me to give proof for my stuff, then give me proof that Williams has better research opportunities (where is the hospital???) and that Tufts has a stronger program overall...
And also for the hardest to get an A I said supposively. And graduate schools will look upon this. Same as colleges do for high schools. If I go to a very very competetive high school (which I do by the way) and I come out in the top 15% and you go to some other high school where you can sleep and get an A and come out valedictorian and the college had to choose between the two of us, who would get in?</p>

<p>Its a huge myth that grad schools will boost grades from colleges like high schools. Schools are indexed and similar schools get a similar weight. I would guess Williams gets a higher weight then U of R. I know for a fact Cornell and Stanford are weighted the same, yet everyone knows Stanford is easier.</p>

<p>Williams is not only about research, its about the strong relationships you will get to make with professors at the undergrad level.</p>

<p>Comparing U of R to a place like Williams is silly, Tufts is much more reasonable.</p>

<p>Also, I have no particular love for Williams, I am just arguing what I think is a ridiculous comparison, based on everything I have read and experienced. The success of Williams grads in getting into grad schools is astonishing.</p>

<p>To quote snuffles but to change it a little bit:</p>

<p>Slipper1234, you make various claims, but you haven't supported your assertions once other than that they seem to be anecdotal evidence. Source?</p>

<p>Also if you claim williams is also about relationships with professors and not all about research, well UR has better research opportunities and since it is shaped like a liberal arts college you form the same bonds with the professors as if you went to williams so in turn based on your comment, UR is better</p>

<p>i'm laughing like crazy at that comment "Williams is not only about research, its about the strong relationships you will get to make with professors at the undergrad level." HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH</p>

<h2>Ok, yeah, recommendations are one of the many things that comprise the 15% section of the med school admissions chart. You can make all the friends with professors you want, yeah it IS important since you learn the material and all that jazz, but dont kid yourself there buddy.</h2>

<p>"Comparing U of R to a place like Williams is silly, Tufts is much more reasonable."</p>

<p>What is your basis on that? I'll wait for your answer to this question before criticizing that stupid remark. And if you say ranking, i'll laugh harder than i did on the latter comment because Rochester's ranking was up there with Tufts (in the 20s) a year ago...rankings dont mean that much..they are all good schools. I really dont think that one is very much better than the other. I agree Williams is a great institution, i just believe that you are putting down U of R wayyyy too much and describing a GREAT gap between these schools, Which is ludacris because such a gap does not exist. Delusion isnt healthy, dont do it so often.</p>

<p>The bottom line is that Williams and U of R are both excellent schools. Assuming both meet one's interests you can get a solid education at either highly regarded institutions. Obviously there may be different opportunities and experiences at either school (LAC vs mid sized research University).</p>

<p>Peer assessment, selectivity, retention rates, etc... are indicators of rankings. All of the above are in Williams favor significantly. U of R might compare more favorably with NYU and Tufts for example. Rochester is attempting to increase their low yield to attract students who truly want to attend as a primary choice. ED might help but they will need to maintain the high standards which I am certain they will.</p>

<p>Also, as is the case with most elite schools, they have a significant endowment per student. Rochester needs to significantly increase in this area also.</p>

<p>However, it is a well known fact that Williams is an elite college and along with Amherst and Swarthmore (possible several additional schools) share similar application pools with IVYs and other elite schools. U of Rochester is more regional and share application pools with many good schools including Cornell and the SUNYs.</p>

<p>Wow, seems to be some heated debate.</p>

<p>Each school is completely different. You can go anywhere you want to go if you work hard at either place, so there is no "better school". . . .only a better fit for the person considering the schools.</p>

<p>so. . . .here's an annalogy (for those who took the old SAT)</p>

<p>UR:Williams:Tufts</p>

<p>Apples:Oranges:Pineapples</p>

<p>I'm not saying that the schools arn't equal, but some people have different tastes. . . . .just because someone doesn't like Pineapples doesn't mean that they're bad. . . .the person just doesn't like pineapples. </p>

<p>So lets not argue over Apples and Oranges. . . .we're not here to say one school is supreme, things like "Way better" don't help. . . just put the facts on the table, in one gigantic "Fruit cocktail" and some people will pick arround the apples, and others devour them. </p>

<p>Woohoo. . . .I'm original. . . .a little weirdness is good once in a while!</p>

<p>Sorry Khan, I meant comparing Tufts and U of R is a much more reasonable comparison. Williams is another league.</p>