<p>I don't understand the pointof this debate. Clearly, Georgetown and Cal are amazing at getting students into Law School. Trying to claim that one is better than the other is foolish. I will say this, a higher ratio of students at Georgetown are pre-law than students at Cal. But that does not mean that Georgetown is better at getting a student into Law school. You guys are arguing over peanuts.</p>
<p>Nsped..it doesn't specify what it does with different schools. How do its methods differ with each university? That still doesn't answer my question.</p>
<p>To clarify, I want to know exactly how much the GPAs change and when that method is applied.</p>
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Afterhours-- Ok, I'll believe you. But I have to ask why are you so condescending towards Berkeley if you were a transfer student?
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<p>I do not speak condescendingly of Berkeley, I actually think Berkeley is underrated and should be ranked top 15. Also I purposely didn't mention USC in my original post because I knew someone from Berkeley would take it the wrong way and it would turn into an argument. You're the one that looked up my post and found out I went to USC. </p>
<p>I gave you my reasons for coming to SC because you implicitly asked, it wasn't like I offered it up to the board as an attack on Berkeley. I clearly stated that the reasons were in tune with MY personality and expectations. </p>
<p>Anyways, this is pointless so how about we put it behind us, yeah?</p>
<p>Nooooooooo...........I want your blood....but okay fine.</p>
<p>Only because I'm tired of arguing right now. I need to stop using the internet.</p>
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But I would pick Vandy over BERKELeY any day.
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<em>sigh</em> that's what I did.</p>
<p>Congratulations ecnerwalc3321, i hope it worked for you, or works for you.</p>
<p>Don't sigh too hard, or else you might choke on air.</p>
<p>Must you get this Vanderbilt vs. Berkeley feud started again? We've already gone over this--how Berkeley is superior academically and more well-known. That's my impartial view of course.</p>
<p><em>waits for the moderators to destroy this thread as i expected them to do pages ago, not that i wanted or not wanted them to</em></p>
<p>Haha DRab..they better not. Nsped still has to respond.</p>
<p>I can't argue that Berkeley is more well know, at least on the West coast. I do believe that will change in coming years, though; Vanderbilt is on the rise, and Berekeley is on it's way out. People simply don't want to learn from the back of a lecture hall anymore--a dicussion based, first-name-basis-with-profs education is in right now.</p>
<p>Superior academically? Hardly. Only if you consider "superior academically" to mean 250+ students in every intro course taught by TA's who barely speak English. Although I suppose some students do their best learning from the back of a lecture hall...</p>
<p>no, actually superior academically</p>
<p>the review of UC Berkeley in the Fiske Guide to Colleges starts off with </p>
<p>one only needs to take a look at the number of parking spots labeled NL(Nobel Laureate) to see the academic prowess of this school</p>
<p>btw, I applied and was accepted to Berkeley but I chose to go to Duke instead</p>
<p>I think that at some point the argument was that Vanderbilt wasn't much worse than UC Berkeley, when comparing undergraduate student bodies. Vanderbilt is ranked 18, UC Berkeley ranked 21. So they should be similar. Average SAT scores and Vandy are 1270 - 1440, while at Berkeley it is 1200 - 1450. Berkeley was 3600 in a class, while Vandy has 1600. Vandy is private. </p>
<p>So quality of the student body isn't drastically different from one to the other, though the overall size of the student body and type of University varies greatly.</p>
<p>I can't say I know much about either school though, besides numbers.</p>
<p>"I do believe that will change in coming years, though; Vanderbilt is on the rise, and Berekeley is on it's way out."</p>
<p>You are ridiculously ignorant if you actually believe that... especially the second part.</p>
<p>The UC's don't care about the rankings in the least bit. I think that is something to admire, that they don't even try to up their rankings, yet they are still ranked as the best public universities. They take highest SAT score in 1 sitting, which I'm sure can make their averages 20-30 points lower than if they took the highest, also they admit a lot of inner city kids who haven't had the best schooling, but have strong personal qualities. The UC's also got rid of National Merit Scholarships, and threatened to drop requiring the SATs before the new SAT was made. This all goes to show, they do what they believe is best for their students and faculty, not what is best for making themselves look good.</p>
<p>when you look at social atmosphere at Vandy, it blows berkeley away anyday. I do not even mean this in the sense of being a party pooper, but seriously, in all aspect, you will be much happier at Vandy.</p>
<p>RE: Drab's comment above to the moderators. Isn't it getting time to close this discussion?</p>
<p>Is there a page-limit to get closed?</p>
<p>Well, since nobody answered my question about where vandy is located I decided to look myself. Nashville (ouch!). While I was there I decided to do a little comparison of the two schools in question. As the above poster pointed out, their SATs are about the same. Cal's incoming gpa is 4.2, and I don't know what vandy's is because they didn't put it in their common data set. Freshman in top ten % of class at Cal is 98%, while Vandy's is 76%. Usnews selectivity ranking has Cal at #13 in the country, while Vandy is at #27. Freshman addmision stats for both schools are: Cal=about 26%, while Vandy=38%. USNews has Vandy ranked 18th, while Cal is ranked 21st. Shanghai has Cal ranked 4th with Vandy ranked 38th. Times of London has Cal ranked 2nd, and Vandy isn't in the top 25 (all I could find). I'm not saying the Vandy isn't a good school, and I'm not even saying that Cal is better because until today I honestly hadn't really even heard of Vandy. I'm just putting out some numbers and letting people make their own minds.</p>
<p>hahahah top ten percent is 98, thats because Berkeley is public and accept mostly in-state students and Californias education system is easy that most people ought to get ten percent. Top ten percent = top 25% at out-of-Cali schools.</p>
<p>If you want to know how the rankings are going to change you have to look at how their ranking system changed and how schools changed. Now I'm not sure how their ranking system is changing this year, or if it is changing (I suppose they would change it if they had to so that the rankings would change and they could sell more magazines), but in regards to schools changing, its a little easier. Someone predicted a big drop for Brown, Penn, and Duke. Did anything big change with Brown, Penn, or Duke's stats that would cause such a drop? I know that the number of applicants for Brown went up 10% and that correspondingly admissions went down to their lowest rate in Brown's history. So why would Brown have any drop at all? Similiarly, Penn had the highest yield in its history, so why would Penn drop?</p>