UC Application for Mlitary Residents

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<p>Hi! I am new to the forum and hope that someone has faced or heard about the situation I am about to describe and can offer some insight as to how to address it.</p>

<p>I am an active duty Army officer and California resident currerntly stationed in Germany. Our son is going to apply to several UC schools in November as a California resident. So far so good. The difficulty comes in when you try to convey this nuance on the UC application. For example, item 9: "Have you Lived in California for the Last 12 months?" Technically no, but as a matter of legal fiction, yes, because when you are active duty military you do not lose your state residence by moving around the country or world unless you take affirmative steps to do so.</p>

<p>Has anyone dealt with this before? I have tried to get an answer from UC but have not had any luck so far.</p>

<p>Thanks</p>

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<p>This is when using the paper application might be a better option so you can attach a letter saying
you're AD military (Go Army! :)),
you are paying taxes to the state of CA when you are in CA. I can't remember if CA taxes AD if they are working OOS.</p>

<p>You may want to photocopy your driver's license and voter registration card. Ditto with your military dependent hs sr.</p>

<p>My H is AD Army and we are stationed in VA. We had to jump through a lot of hoops for the Commonwealth of VA for my D to be considered instate.</p>

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<p>It might be worth contacting the admissions offices of a couple of UCs with the question and asking them to be safe. They must deal with this quite a bit because there's a lot of military in California (as well there should be).</p>

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<p>In addition to in-state tuition, which likely will be approved upon appeal, a more important factor is whether your son's app will be read and considered in-state, vs. OOS. Since the in-state requirements are more lenient, it woudl be to your advantage to see if that can happen.</p>

<p>You might write to UC Legal Department for a complete interpretation of their rules. Include any supporting documentation, such as Orders, and former Calif schools and addresses.</p>

<p>Legal Analyst-Residence Matters
1111 Franklin Street, 8th Floor
Oakland, CA 94607-5200</p>

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<p>UC in on-line application only. There are no paper applications!!!
I would assume that your permanent residence is California and you should use that. I definitely agree with making a phone call and would suggest calling one of the less popular campuses, such as UC Riverside and speak to an admissions officer. They are very eager to get quality applicants and will answer your questions. They are easy to get on the phone as well. The staff at UCR can also help talk you through the glitches with the online app. Get the name of the admissions officer you speak with. Then if the other campuses give you any problem, you can quote the person with whom you spoke. Even though there is one online application and theoretically one set of admissions criteria, each of the campuses deals with the applicant seperately. Good luck (and as a UCSB grad, I suggest looking at that beautiful campus and great faculty!)</p>

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<p>Blocroo is mistaken -- a paper application can be downloaded here:
<a href="http://www.universityofcalifornia.edu/admissions/undergrad_adm/apply/download.html%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://www.universityofcalifornia.edu/admissions/undergrad_adm/apply/download.html&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p>

<p>I think it is still better to do the online application, but I would recommend downloading the paper one to use as a practice sheet to figure out where the info should go.</p>

<p>As far as I can figure, using the paper application, your son should enter the California is the state of legal residence on line #20, under family information. </p>

<p>As to the rest, I don't know. I would recommend using the contact information on the application web site.
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For general admissions questions:
<a href="mailto:ucinfo@ucapplication.net">ucinfo@ucapplication.net</a> or (800) 523-2048</p>

<p>Help Desk for web-based application: (800) 914-8820

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<p>I have gone through this also, each state is different and some states only allow you in state if you are in the state..like IL.(my home state but not my legal residence anymore) </p>

<p>Most states want your home of record or your LES, along with Drivers License/Voter card and a legal address. Go to the JAG they can help too.</p>

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<p>Here was an interesting note on the UC app:</p>

<p>in Section XVI:</p>

<p>California residency for tuition purposes is determined by different criteria than residency for admission.</p>

<p>Sounds like getting your app read as an in-state person is not difficult--check #20. But getting in-state tuition requires a careful following of rules.</p>

<p>Just did a little bit of sleuthing on individual campus websites...there seems to be a "Residency Deputy" for each campus who is the one who knows all the rules and regs and makes all the determinations of whether a kid is instate for tuition purposes.</p>

<p><a href="http://www.universityofcalifornia.edu/admissions/undergrad_adm/ca_residency.html%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://www.universityofcalifornia.edu/admissions/undergrad_adm/ca_residency.html&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p>

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<p>Thanks to everyone who provided input and advice on how to handle the situation I posed. I took the suggestion to contact UCR Admissions and received some practical advice from them on providing sufficient "clues" (as they put it) on the application to indicate that the applicant is a California resident. To get beyond "clues" of residence and to drive the point home they suggest using a portion of the personal statement to explain the situation in plain english. This sounds great but to ensure that there is no mistake I have asked them if they indicate somehow prior to consideration of the application that they are considering the application as in-state as opposted to OOS. I haven't received a reply on that yet. It looks like step two in the process is establishing residency after admittance. This is where you are required to provide proof, such as having listed California as your home-of-record in your military records, voting in California, maintaining a California drivers license, etc. Now I wonder whether each campus you apply to does their own in-state/OOS determination. I am going to run that down next.</p>

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<p>My research says yes when it comes to residency for tuition purposes. See my post above. The UCR advice does seem very practical. You'd probably want to put in mention of the military service anyway some place in the essays.</p>

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<p>I think the residency for tuition purposes will be determined AFTER the student is accepted and enrolled. My son had to do this recently for a CSU (Humboldt). Although my son was born in California and is a lifelong residence, he was a transfer to Humboldt and had attended college for 2 years in New York -- so Humboldt required him to fill out a form to establish residency. It was a very easy, short form that just had questions like where he was registered to vote, etc. I think they just want the documentation on file -- they certainly didn't give him any problem once he turned in the form.</p>

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<p>Sanger,</p>

<p>Don't hesitate to get your congressman/state senator/state delegate involved if you are initially denied.</p>