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<p>gosh thank you so much undecided!!! </p>

<p>You seriously saved me from the village. I was attracted to it as it has singles and is in the middle of a beautiful meadow. Thanks for the info on that. </p>

<p>Would you recommend I bring a bike to get around campus? I have a car, is it worth it to bring? </p>

<p>Wow, I never realized how far away the beach is from campus, i always thought it was like right there...</p>

<p>You are brave to be a conservative around those parts! Fortunately ill fit right in.. Although Im not a vegan and I hate "PC." oh well ill just have to adapt...</p>

<p>How common is it for people to get singles? Do you have a very strong say in where you are assigned for housing? </p>

<p>What are some of the stereotypes of the different colleges? Should i pick a school based on where most of my majors classes are held?</p>

<p>Thank you so much. THis information is really helping me to decide what to do.</p>

<p>Bikes are definitely worth it. It may be tiring (lots of hills and all), but it's the best bet for reliably getting to classes or getting around downtown (though Pacific prohibits bikes on the sidewalks and the streets aren't quite marked for it). It is especially useful if you live off campus.</p>

<p>A car can be worth it, but probably not. You won't need it, the buses cover pretty much anything of interest (beach, downtown, Capitola, and Watsonville if you really want to; there are also connections to San Jose), and gas and parking can really add up (gas hovering around $2/gallon most weeks, parking passes going for about $45/month IF you can get one; even having a pass doesn't guarantee availability of parking, and the lots are pretty far from class).</p>

<p>The beach isn't terribly far away, but the campus isn't right on the shore, that's for sure. It takes me about 15 minutes to bike there from my apartment, and I'm within 10 minutes of downtown. I'd guess about 30 minutes by bus. That doesn't phase most people, though, who regularly take trips to Mammoth and Tahoe during the winter.</p>

<p>I am brave (I wasn't kidding about it being scary around elections), but I am also transferring. It's extremely difficult to find a safe forum for expressing dissenting opinions on campus, though classes are generally havens. The vegan thing isn't rampant, but there are a lot of "alternative" and health food joints around, and there's definitely a vegan representation in the dining halls (at 9/10, I think around 1/3 of their offerings were 'vegan-friendly').</p>

<p>I don't know how hard or easy it is to get singles. I don't know much about housing in general. The boyfriend got his first choice college, and had a terrible roommate (the only one on his floor who didn't like the match-up). He got into a single the next quarter without much issue, but he may've gotten lucky. By all rights, though, unless you have some pressing reason for needing a single, I'd recommend a double. Your roommate and your floormates will become your best friends, at least for the first few weeks (something I missed out on by choosing to live in an apartment off-campus). Most people get their first choice in colleges if they turn their forms in on time, but beyond that you don't have much say in your housing arrangements as a freshman. </p>

<p>Lessee...</p>

<p>Porter: the artsy/hippie college. There are a lot of the people who typify Santa Cruz that room here, but as Fish Wrap maintains (that's one of the on-campus newspapers), not everything you hear is true. They have gotten the reputation for being the most "free spirited," though, and they are where the First Rain Run begins (which is, consequently, often called the Porter Run).</p>

<p>Kresge: the lit college. Most lit majors go here, for whatever reasons. Maybe because the office is there? Maybe because of the core? I really don't know. That's the most pervasive stereotype, though. The apartments are also a big draw, and they have a co-op cafe where you can use your flexi-dollars (and it's also really good).</p>

<p>Oakes: this is the college with the multicultural focus. Their core is "Values and Change in a Diverse Society" and they have ethnic housing. While the idea is diversity, most people tend to go there to stick with things they're familiar with -- it's been called The Asian College and the Minority College that I've heard. It's also pretty remote, but it's not that hard to get to and is still on campus and directly off the loop (the main road around campus).</p>

<p>Merrill: Merrill houses the only Honors College program that is university wide (the honors system at UCSC is wacky: there are honors in the majors & honors by college (both obtainable by really good grades and probably some kind of project), and also the Dean's List and Chancellor's List (for GPA)), which includes the opportunity for a 3-quarter core and a community project. The honors at Merrill is closer to the "regular" honors programs you'll hear about at other colleges: special living arrangements (an honors hall in Merrill), honors classes you take together (honors core), etc. I don't hear much about Merrill except for the complaints regarding the hill people have to walk up.</p>

<p>Stevenson: Inexplicably called the Jewish College. I guess it does have a large number of Jewish students, but I never noticed that it made that much of a difference (I actually only heard that this week in core!). Stevenson has the only college-wide multi-quarter core (that is, ALL Stevenson freshman take 2 quarters of core, as opposed to the 20-odd Merrill honors students who take a year core; it used to be 3-quarters, and this is the first year it's been less than that), which a lot of people consider pretentious/annoying. Stevenson REALLY takes pride in its status as the second college on campus, and it also takes pride in being "intellectual." I haven't noticed that it's that much different from others, but that's what it likes to claim.</p>

<p>College Nine/Ten: Most often, they are mentioned together. They are pretty much the twin colleges, and the only real difference between them is their core. They're also right next to each other and, because they're brand new (opened in 2000 and 2002), they haven't quite earned the right to a proper reputation. So far, they're where the social sciences majors tend to hang out, which makes sense since they're built right next to the Social Sciences cluster (and have related cores). </p>

<p>Crown and College Eight I almost never hear about, so I can't help you there, sorry!</p>

<p>I personally wouldn't recommend choosing a college based on proximity to your classes because there most likely won't BE one place where your classes usually are. The whole campus is fair game for any class, as evidenced by my taking Math 11A (Calculus) in the same room last quarter as my Lit 1 (Literary Interpretation) course. Usually classes are put where they fit, but going too far into their wacky scheduling/assignment thingy is beyond the scope of my understanding. Suffice to say, there likely won't be one place where your classes will be.</p>

<p>You may want to consider a college where your academic peers will be. For an example of that, look at each college's core and what GEs they cover. Colleges 9 & 10 attract social sciences majors, Crown attracts science/math majors, Kresge lit majors, Porter arts majors (including theater and film), and so on. </p>

<p>A word about core: almost everyone learns to hate it. It's the first chance for a freshman to get one-on-one experience with their professors (or lecturers, as not all the instructors are professors), and it's also a place to hone writing and critical reading skills. It's kinda like the "Intro to College" classes you hear about at community colleges, only with a theme. </p>

<p>Also mind the evals! In addition to letter grades (or pass/fail, if you choose), you get evals. These can be good or they can be bad. A lot of people feel that grad schools don't even look at these, but I would think it silly to pass up the chance to see a personal evaluation from the instructor/TA of the class written at the time the class was taken. They're small blurbs, and most professors don't write more than a narrative account of how you did on exams/papers, but some professors can write some truly excellent things, and it is THOSE evals that are the most useful.</p>

<p>Mind you, this is only my experience, and it's a pretty non-traditional one as I'm a first-year living off-campus who had prior experience with the school and is considering transferring to a school that is, in some ways, its polar opposite.</p>

<p>I would have to disagree on the proximity issue. While not all classes are going to be in the same area, they are spread out based on the subject. one area is science hill which has all the scince buildings. opposite of the street are the engineering buildings. If your classes are there, nine/10 are the closest. Okakes, college 8 are close to the arts area. Stenvenson, merril, crown, etc are all quite far awar from the arts places so you probably should look at the map if your worried about proximity. ifyou dont mind walking, then it doesnt make too much of a difference. </p>

<p>Generally single dorms cost about a $100 more per month. As far as I know peopl ehave been able to get it if they want it but the cost keeps them away.</p>

<p>I actually liked my core class at college nine. International perspectives but thats because i like that subject. IT all depends I guess. Pick a college in which the core class interests you because you can always be affilitated w/ one of the colleges and live in another.</p>

<p>That's true, majnags; I did forget to mention that. :)</p>

<p>The class where I took calculus and am now taking lit is located on what is known as Science Hill. More often than not, your lab classes even as a freshman will be there. What I was referring to was the freshman set of classes in general, though -- they're usually found anywhere they can find the space (like my chemistry class, which was at Classroom 002 by the bookstore). </p>

<p>There are trends (science at Science Hill, engineering in E-1 or E-2, languages at Merrill/Stevenson), but they're not reliable; what I meant to suggest was to not make that your sole or primary consideration. You can get anywhere from anywhere with relative ease, and your problem probably won't be getting from your room to class, but from class to class (some gaps are 15 minutes, which makes getting from Oakes to Stevenson on time nearly impossible).</p>

<p>I think we all agree on one thing:</p>

<p>Getting out from that farking community college.</p>

<p>any school, as long as i don't have to attend night classes, get no social life (no dorm + night classes = no social life), and drive 2 hours a day i am good.</p>

<p>awesome this helps a ton. Do you not like it at santa cruz? what school are you thinking of transferring to?</p>

<p>Thanks for your advice i feel enlightened about the whole thing. As for where my intellectual peers will be... im not sure where all the philosophy kids are at...I know that most of the classes and most of the phil instructors are at cowell... but does that necessarily mean that is where the phil haven is? I wasnt too interested in cowell from the beginning, but I do want to be around other phil students i suppose. Porter seems rad, but if its mostly art students, i dunno... From the beginning i really dug kresge/porter and college 9/10. I am a more quiet artistic creative and intellectual type so I want to be around that kind of environment. I am not a big partier, im not into jock bs, and i HATE fraternitites and the like. Im into liberal/grassroots politics, music, film, and philosophy. Do you know where I would best fit? Again thanks for not getting annoyed with my broad questions. You guys are all really helping me to figure this out. Oh and yeah, I would be best suited for a single because of personal issues.. What have you heard about the apartments?
thanks again</p>

<p>Santa Cruz is alright, it's just not the kind of environment I'm interested in overall. I'm thinking of (and hoping to) transferring to the University of Chicago. I'm much more of a one-on-one learner, and I realize that my happy experience with my professors so far is because I've been lucky, rather than because it's the norm. I'm also tired of public school junk, and California junk. So to Illinois!</p>

<p>I don't know much about philosophy because my boyfriend hates it and I haven't had a chance to take any classes. Sorry! If Cowell has phil faculty, though, there's a good chance there are phil students there. I'm really fond of Kresge, personally, though that wasn't my top choice for college when I applied. Colleges 9 & 10 are really centrally located (walk straight, get to Science Hill; turn left, go to Merrill/Stevenson/Cowell/Crown; turn right (and walk for a while) and get to Kresge, Porter, Oakes, etc.). Kinda 'blah' to me, though.</p>

<p>I don't really recommend Porter if you're into quiet. It's not necessarily a 'party' college (I'm not sure that distinction goes to any one college in particular, so much as spread between all of them, though I know my boyfriend's floor in college 10 was REALLY bad), but it's where all those crazy non-traditional kids go (among others who are not so crazy). I don't know much about the frats; the sororities recruit far more (that I've seen), and they're not really particular to any college in particular, either.</p>

<p>I think you might enjoy Kresge, Cowell or Stevenson. They're more 'laid back' than the rest of the colleges, in my experience, though they have their moments. What didn't interest you about Cowell? Or was it just that nothing there seemed particularly to your fancy?</p>

<p>I have heard nothing about the apartments. That could be good, that could be bad. For the most part, I know they're pretty decent living arrangements if you get the right roommates (most other colleges offer an apartment living option to upperclassmen, and you can pool to get into the same apartment), but it might be risky if you're worried about partying.</p>

<p>hey great info..</p>

<p>about cowell, nothing looked bad, its just that nothing seemed particularly interesting...I would love to be by the phil area, but I want to go somewhere that has something interesting about it. Do you know anything about cowell? </p>

<p>How are the academics in general? Are they very rigorous? Do people tend to do well? There isnt a curve is there? Thanks a million,</p>

<p>Cowell... all I know about it is that it is (or at least the apartments are) RIGHT on the road next to the Quarry Plaza, which is the place of central non-academic activity (the bookstore, Joe's Pizza and Subs, the conference rooms and career center). They're the first college, and I've heard people complain that their stuff is old as if it hasn't been updated in the past thirty years or so. They have a nice computer lab.</p>

<p>Academics in general vary greatly. While on the one hand you are at UCSC with its bad reputation, on the other you are at a research university that ranks pretty highly in national esteem, though it may not be at the top. UCSC's top programs are in physics, so you're likely to meet the most challenge/rigor there. Whether there's a curve or not is dependent on the professor of each class; there's no university-wide policy for one. You will learn to care very much which professors you get, because it is they (and their TAs) who map the path you will be walking while at UCSC -- pointlessly difficult? challenging and eye-opening? draconian? too much busywork? too many essays?</p>

<p>People tend to do as people will. If you try hard, you'll be absolutely fine. If you blow it off and treat college as one giant keg party, you probably won't fare so well. We have a low attrition rate, but that's as much due to the vagaries of a public education as anything. You WILL run into frustrations getting into the classes of your choice, probably around spring quarter of your freshman year, unless you're lucky (like me!) and have outside credit that gives you a boost to second-year registration appointments.</p>

<p>Something more specific, maybe?</p>

<p>thanks again undecided, I feel like I have a better grasp of what I am going into this fall. i hope I have a better experience than you, although I know I will right away fit in with the liberal atmosphere and the laid back ant-elitist vibe. </p>

<p>Well thanks to these comments, I have narrowed down my choices for the colleges. However, I am having a hard time choosing between kresge and porter for my first choice. I am definitely into the artistic community at porter, but I also like the more softspoken atmosphere at kresge. Its a hard decision, because I do want to have that "santa cruz" experience, but I also dont want to be around a bunch of superficial hipsters who will annoy the **** out of me (porter). Kresge is appealing because of its location, the apartments, the high percentage of transfer students, and it seems to have an interesting intellectual atmosphere. But I am afraid that a place like kresge will lack the vibrant community and creative environment found at porter . I dont want to be at a place that has no distinct personality or sense of community. But I also dont want to be at a place like porter perhaps where I will be overwhelmed with art majors and "scenester" fashion whores. I would hope that kresge had a less "scenester" vibe and a more laid back intellectual atmosphere. Does anyone know about kresge? Does anyone know how it relates and compares to porter? Does anyone know what majors besides literature are popular at kresge? I am a phil major so I would like to be in a place with an intersection of "artistic" and "intellectual" attitudes. I am kind of intimidated by porter as I am not a loud outgoiing person, but I am also afraid that kresge lacks a strong intellectual culture. I am a artistic creative type with a need for personal space and a small group of friends. Can anyone help? I would be so grateful if anyone with any information could help me on this. Thanks again to everyone who has helped me narrow down my choices.</p>

<p>The SO says:</p>

<p>"Kresge definitely has a less pretentious atmosphere than Porter. Porter has a well-earned reputation for being the home of the crazy ultraliberals. A note, though, that your choice of college is most important during your first-year, less so as you finish core or live off-campus. Literature is the usual association, but as they're Porter's sister-college they probably have a lot of art majors as well. Of course that's just a generalization. There is no college that's more "intellectual" than any of the others -- just "crazy experimental artist-y" (Porter) versus "science-y" (Crown). The apartments can be crowded (roomies are a hit-or-miss, and you really share your space with them, apartment or no), but Porter is insane: naked roomies, little privacy, etc. </p>

<p>I suggest you consider Kresge over Porter. Porter has a love-it-or-hate-it vibe, and the people who love it tend to BE those "superficial hipsters"."</p>

<p>-- I'll add that he's a College 10 second-year student currently living off-campus.</p>

<p>Good luck!</p>

<p>thanks, you confirmed what I had suspected. I think i am going to go for kresge first choice unless I hear anything bad about it in the meantime. The one unfortunate thing I have found is that nobody really has anything bad to say about it mostly because no one really knows that much about kresge. That may be a plus though. But even as you implied, there are going to be superficial a-holes all over campus. Though, even from the beginning, i suspected kresge would be the best. Do you know if the apartments in kresge have single bedrooms for the most part? I am attracted to the apartments at kresge, but this is on the assumption that most have single bedrooms. Apartments arent really that appealing if its just like a bunch of doubles with a shared kitchen. Again, thank you so much for your help.</p>

<p>Oh and whats the music scene on campus? are there many bands/shows? do you know anything about the music co-op's at kresge? thanks!!!</p>

<p>The postings about UCSB vs UCSC were funny. Anybody on their right mind that knows about the UC System would conclude that SB is better than SC. Just so you know, grades in college is mainly based on curve.... It's easy to get an A in SC than in SB. Know why? Because there are a lot of top caliber students in SB.... if you don't like stats let's put it this way, a lot more people study hard here in SB. Take me as an example.... I got admitted lastyear to UCSD,UCI,UCSC, and UCSB. I chose UCSB mainly because of three reasons, high academic stardard, breathtaking campus with its own beach, and gorgeous/social people (as in hottt people!!!). Anybody on their right mind would pick UCSB right away if they want a well- balanced college life! It's not easy to get an A here as it's also very competitive. Sure there are a few people that parties on the weekends but it's a myth that parties are all over the place Sun-thu. So if you ever find it hard to decide which UC to attend you'll never go wrong with UCSB... Do yourself a favor...visit UCSB and bring a bike. Try biking around campus pretending you're a student. Do this during a school day...you'll know it's the university for you. =) For those of you who didn't get in to UCSB, you're still very lucky if you get in to UCSC!!!</p>

<p>wellendowed, thanks for ur input, glad we have someone who goes to SB on the board.</p>

<p>Do u know how their bio department is?</p>

<p>is this a joke? i sure hope you're not a ucsb student... your grammar is HORRIBLE. i could hardly understand what you were trying to say. We all know you're not a student at SB... i have friends that go there and i've visited on the weekends and there are A LOT of parties... i mean... everyother house on i.v is throwing a party and everyone can join the party. Everyone here agrees that ucsb and ucsc are two top public universities, we disagree on the gap between the two. Dont get me wrong.. i love SB and hope to attend in the fall of 05', but dont paint the school as a classy wine and cheese get together... part of the reason why i want to attend is for the laid-back student population (dont make it seem like a cut-throat univ) and the massive party scene on the WEEKENDS.. study hard mon-thurs after noon--- party hard thurs night-sunday morning. UCSB IS the perfect university... you make it seem like ucla by the beach.... it is MUCH better than ucla</p>

<p>yo highschool.... the library is packed right now... i was lucky to get a computer.... i hate night classes</p>

<p>I don't give a crap about grammar in informal writing... get a life dude. I hope you don't get in to UCSB. But I shouldn't worry if you get in coz I have a single room at San Raf next school year heheh...</p>

<p>well thats not very nice. It wasnt only your grammar.. you explained a lack of parties. I.V has huge parties thur-sat. does it not? i want you to tell me that there arent massive parties on the weekends... say it!</p>

<p>I don't know much about the Bio program here at UCSB as I'm majoring in Bus. Econ with emphasis in Acctng. But Physics, Chem, Engr., and the Accting Dept. are really strong programs here. Life sciences on all UCs are exceptional anyways so you'll never go wrong if you decide to enroll at UCSB.</p>

<p>I see your point about the the party CC. I meant to type weekdays not weekends!</p>