<p>Hi, I was accepted to the UGA honors program and am pretty set on pre med. I have also been accepted to georgia tech and have seen their stats of percent accepted to medical school. I could not find a statistic for UGA and was wondering what percent of those in pre med get accepted to medical school, and more specifically, percent of people who take honors who get accepted to med school? Please no made up or weighted percentages.</p>
<p>I don’t think we have a statistic for that. It would be too much work to gather that data. I don’t think we tell the premed office if we got accepted somewhere or not (unless you know Langford or something and he asks…), so they wouldn’t know if we got in. There are a buttload of premeds in the first few years, but it slims down a lot by the time you actually get around to applying.</p>
<p>You’re asking the wrong kind of question here; the percentage of students admitted to med school by itself means little since it doesn’t specify what kind of students applied/what their grades and scores were/etc. </p>
<p>If you’re asking whether or not you’ll be able to get into any med school in the country based on a UGA education, then the answer is easily yes, definitely. Of course, most of the work will be on your part with MCAT scores and GPA, but rest assured UGA Honors produces a great number of top med school acceptances all over the country each year and there are plenty of research opportunities to work in labs from the very beginning. You’ll be around a lot of people doing the same kind of things and have a lot of resources and knowledge to draw on from the older students.</p>
<p>@gtfan12345: Would you mind sharing your GPA, SAT, etc? I am also exclusively interested in UGA Honors and a pre-med.</p>
<p>I found stats for acceptance percentages to med school for georgia tech but I could not find any for UGA, why does georgia tech have theirs up online and public but UGA doesn’t? @upsidedown951, my GPA is 3.9 and 1440 sat.</p>
<p>Again, they don’t gather the data to get them that percentage. We don’t tell them if we get into med school, so they have no way of knowing. It’s too much work to put everything together. The head advisor, Langford, teaches in addition to his premed duties. The other people in the office are busy putting together people’s applications and keeping things straight. They have to worry about A LOT of premeds…A LOT. They have to worry about meeting with every single premed. They have to put on seminars for premeds. They have to deal with all of the recommendations that come into the office for every premed. They have to deal with A LOT. A hell of a lot of premeds drop out at the beginning, but there are still HELLUVA lot left at the end. They don’t have time on top of that to bother with putting together statistics that don’t mean anything in the end.</p>
<p>If the statistics were going to be useful, they’d need to be broken down by major, and even then that’s hard because a lot of people double major in random combinations and the combination of majors could affect their GPA. It’d have to be broken down by MD vs. DO; first applicant vs. reapplicants; in state vs out of state. Students not applying to the right schools could affect their chances at those schools. Students not doing well at their interview could negatively affect their application. Students not choosing the right people to do their recommendations could negatively affect their application. All of these things have NOTHING to do with the school and could not tell you if GT or UGA is the better premed school.</p>
<p>GPA and MCAT (the only comparisons that GT provides) isn’t the only thing that affects whether you get into med school. The stats might give you an idea of the “caliber” of students who are applying to begin with, but it’s not the whole picture. What about extracurriculars? What percentage of applicants applied with clinical experience? Leadership experience? Volunteer experience? Research experience? </p>
<p>Also, GT doesn’t give you the percentage of students that get in on it (at least I couldn’t find it after a quick visit to their premed website). It just gives you the average MCAT and GPA of GT applicants which are on the whole pretty average. </p>
<p>The question you should be asking is if UGA has good opportunities for premeds. The answer to that? A resounding YES. But guess what? You have to do the work. All the opportunities are here. YOU have to go out and get them and not wait for someone to hand it to you.</p>
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<p>GT does provide the percentages. I really don’t have the time to look online, but it’s in the printed brochures.</p>
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<p>If that’s true, UGA is the only school I know of that doesn’t collect that data and I would avoid the school all together simply based on that fact (it shows a level of disconnection from the students). In addition, the fact that they list some of the admitted schools suggests they have that data.</p>
<p>What UGA does for med school is similar to what UGA does for salaries - instead of listing numbers (percent receiving offers, average starting salary, etc.) UGA just lists some employers of former students. They clearly have the salary data, they just choose not to release it (GT does release all of that information). Why? Well there are a number of reasons; however, when someone purposefully hides information, you naturally go with the negative (the admission rates are poor). </p>
<p>It’s like receiving a resume from a college student with no GPA. Theoretically that student could have a 4.0, but if she did, it would be plastered all over the resume. </p>
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<p>You could make the same argument that Valdosta State has “good opportunities” for premeds. And, theoretically, it’s possible to go from Valdosta State to Harvard Med. But realistically, you decrease you chances at a Harvard Med admission by attending Valdosta State instead of UGA, just like you decrease your changes attending a second tier school like UGA instead of a top school like GT.</p>
<p>I guess the question I need to be asking is that is there somewhere where I could find the average MCAT score and GPA for UGA? I find it strange that GT has it published and UGA does not.</p>
<p>It’s absurd to cast UGA in a negative light because they don’t collect statistics with questionable value. To be really useful, as jenmarie noted, these stats. would have to be extremely detailed. </p>
<p>UGA’s classes are roughly double the size of Tech’s. It’s a hell of a lot easier to collect information on 2706 students than on 4667 students.</p>
<p>Banjo: Can you give us an idea of the number of college pre-med sites you have been to so we have a better idea of your statements? For instance, if you go to the UNC-CH site, you do not see %'s, but more suggestions on what to expect as a pre-med student. Since pre-med info is many times self-reported, or self-selected by the college (at least one college only gives out % based on the students they advise to apply to med-schools, not the entire group), the numbers are not always up-to-date or accurate, and so many colleges select not to share misleading info.</p>
<p>gtfan: While you will see rough numbers at the GT site (MCAT and GPA from 2008), from what I have seen, it does not include specifics on how many were admitted, what the rates were, why some students did not self-report info, etc. The best suggestion is to speak with the pre-med departments on each campus of the colleges you are interested in, and they can give you a better idea of what is going on with the applicants, updated info, etc. Info straight from the horse’s mouth is better than supposed information from here any day.</p>
<p>Gtfan, it seems by your screename that you’re already biased toward one school. I have already told you twice that we do not have the statistic readily available. If you want, go to our premed website and get the email for Langford and Resa. Email both of them and let us know what they say. </p>
<p>The premed office not collecting our acceptance data does not indicate “disconnection” from the students. Honestly, the only thing you REALLY need that premed office for is for them to put together your letters of rec. But the premed office does a lot for its students. They have basic orientation sessions, set up dinners with various schools (mostly Mercer, MCG, and Emory), provide weekly forum discussions on various med topics, and they meet with each premed one-on-one before they put together your application (or at least their part your application). In addition, the premed honors society, AED, is also in charge of a lot of different events and opportunities. There is no basis for your accusation that the premed office is disconnected from the students. You choose how connected you want to be, but they have more than enough opportunities for you to get to know them if you so choose.</p>
<p>The office gets their acceptance data straight from the schools themselves. </p>
<p>Banjo, I’d like to know where it says that UGA is a second-tiered school. US News categorizes us as tier one, just like GT. </p>
<p>What are the percentages of students that get into med school from GT? I can’t find the data and I don’t feel like wasting time finding it.</p>
<p>Again, as I said in detail in my last post, THESE STATISTICS WILL MEAN NOTHING. NADA. ZIP. ABSOLUTELY NOTHING. Unless they are significantly broken down, there is NO VALUE in knowing the percentage of students that get into med school. Getting into med school is a crapshoot sometimes. Just because UGA doesn’t collect the data doesn’t mean that UGA is a bad premed school or that there’s something to hide.</p>
<p>The data provided by GT on their website is only for 136 students and is from 2007. Why isn’t the data more updated and why are there so few students? Why haven’t they accumulated the data so they have more students? I can tell you right now that there is at least a couple hundred more premeds applying at UGA than that in one year. I could probably name at least 20-30 and that’s just from my own friends and acquaintances.</p>
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<p>No, USNews has UGA in the 2nd tier, not the first (tiers for undergraduate programs and law schools are based on 50, for graduate programs they are based on 25). Besides, as stated in another thread, the schools do not even compare against each other. As defined by the Board of Regents (with input from each school): UGA’s comparable set of other schools includes Iowa, Kentucky, NC State, and UC-Davis. UGA’s “aspirational” set includes Penn State and Minnesota. GT’s comparable set includes Caltech, Carnegie Mellon, Johns Hopkins, MIT, Northwestern, and UC-Berkeley. There is no “aspirational” set for GT. </p>
<p>So again - UGA is not comparable to Tech. No one outside of Athens would even attempt to make that sort of academic comparison, and (evidently from the information above) even those in Athens do not attempt that comparison. UGA is not even well regarded within the SEC, which is one of the weakest academic conferences in the county. </p>
<p>All you have to do to compare the schools is look at the business programs. UGA has had a business school for 100 years and an MBA program for 70. When Tech requested an MBA from the Board of Regents, UGA fought hard and used their monopoly on the Board to prevent it. However in 2001, Tech finally received an MBA. It took exactly 3 years for Tech’s MBA to jump above UGA’s 70 year old program. Tech is now a top tier business program with a degree ranked higher than Emory, while UGA is in the third tier (falling from 49 to 59 in the last two years). </p>
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<p>Actually, it means a good bit. You won’t be able to take the statistics and extrapolate them, but that doesn’t make them useless. And the schools do collect the data, much like they collect self-reported salary data from students at graduation and collect a record of where students will attend graduate school. </p>
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<p>UGA does collect the data and bet that if you call, they’ll tell you the information over the phone. </p>
<p>As I said above, it’s no different than collecting self-reported graduate starting salary data, something else UGA collects but refuses to post on their website. Why doesn’t UGA post that data? Probably because they’re afraid of the outcome of a direct comparison between the two schools, especially for the same degree.</p>
<p>Yet we’re not talking about business schools. We’re talking about premed programs. I assume you must have stats hidden up your sleeve to compare these programs. May I please see them?</p>
<p>And what use would the percentage of accepted students be to someone trying to choose which school to go to? What would that statistic mean? Why do you think that it would mean anything if there are so many other factors that affect acceptance that UGA has no control over? </p>
<p>Once again, I would advise you to contact the premed office directly and see if they’ll give you the information you want, even if it means nothing.</p>
<p>Banjo: Why do you feel the need to constantly attack UGA? And as for your stats, please give us details on your facts. For instance, when I selected three other colleges, UNC, Stanford, and OSU, none of them gave out med school acceptance info. Now, it was a quick search and I may have missed it, but these numbers were not off of any of the pre-med pages. As well, the GT site has general MCAT and GPA info , but it is not complete and does not give acceptance rates, and of course it is old data. When it seems like you do not have a solid answer, you response is to attack and throw out generalities. Lame, real lame.</p>
<p>Is there a ranking of pre med schools? and I contacted the pre med program via email and they replied that those statistics are not made available to the public. If i call them, will they tell me?</p>
<p>gtfan: The best thing to do is set up a visit to both campuses, speak with admissions about the sciences, scholarships, etc., contact Honors about visiting their offices or if they have a meeting on certain days, and call both of the pre-med programs to see if you can speak with them while on campus.</p>
<p>gtfan: I really doubt they’re going to give that info out even if you call them, but I guess it’s worth a shot. You can also try the pre-allo SDN forums and see what they say for GT vs UGA.</p>
<p>gtfan, I would also suggest you look at BanjoHitters previous posts. Many times, he has come on this forum with questionable facts and bashed UGA and I noticed most of his posts on the Georgia Tech forum have a superior tone and a negative attitude. There are no personal facts or stories or encouragement like most CC posters. I sorry to have say that but it has become so tiresome to see polite, helpful UGA students trying to make sense out of his comments. jenmarie and vig 180 are obviously real students who have been on CC a long time and try their best to help people. I think GAdawg gives good advice, too.</p>
<p>Since this thread has degenerated into splitting hairs…</p>
<p>Here is the link from the Board of Regents report that I believe that Banjo is quoting from, and indeed Ga Tech has a set of comparable and aspirational institutions. Yes, there are some repeats on their list, just as other schools show carry over from comparable to aspirational.</p>
<p><a href=“http://www.usg.edu/regents/documents/board_meetings/mar09min.pdf[/url]”>http://www.usg.edu/regents/documents/board_meetings/mar09min.pdf</a></p>
<p>Georgia Institute of Technology
Comparator Peers</p>
<p>California Institute of Technology Pasadena CA
Carnegie Mellon University Pittsburgh PA
Cornell University Ithaca NY
Johns Hopkins University Baltimore MD
Massachusetts Institute of Technology Cambridge MA
Stanford University Stanford CA
Virginia Polytechnic and State University Blacksburg VA
Northwestern University Evanston IL
Pennsylvania State University University Park PA
Purdue University West Lafayette IN
Texas A&M University College Station TX
University of California Berkeley CA
University of California Los Angeles CA
University of Florida Gainesville FL
University of Illinois Urbana-Champaign IL
University of Michigan Ann Arbor MI
University of Minnesota Twin Cities MN
University of Texas Austin TX
University of Washington Seattle WA
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Aspirational Peers**</p>
<p>California Institute of Technology Pasadena CA
Carnegie Mellon University Pittsburgh PA
Cornell University Ithaca NY
Johns Hopkins University Baltimore MD
Massachusetts Institute of Technology Boston MA
Northwestern University Evanston IL
Pennsylvania State University University Park PA
Stanford University Palo Alto CA
University of California - Berkeley Berkeley CA
University of California - Los Angeles Los Angeles CA
University of Illinois, Urbana-Champaign Urbana IL
University of Michigan, Ann Arbor Ann Arbor MI
University of Texas-Austin Austin TX
University of Washington Seattle WA
University of Virginia Charlottesville VA
University of Wisconsin-Madison Madison WI</p>
<p>GTfan: Almost every college could be considered a pre med school as pre med is just a set of required classes (chemistry, physics, biology, math, english, etc.). There is no ranking for “pre med” schools that I am aware of. You need to decide what your interests are and find the school that best fits your needs.</p>
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<p>The list is the same because GT has no aspirational peers. As such, it’s only aspiration is to maintain competition with it’s current peers. The same was not found for UGA.</p>
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<p>My negative tone towards UGA is only apparent when you try to give disinformation to other students regarding your school. Clearly, my posts in other forums are very helpful and highly authoritative in nature.</p>
<p>As far as “no facts”, no facts have been presented to counter my points. In fact, I am the only one on this thread citing any verifiable facts at all. And regardless of how helpful others are trying to be, flat out lying to people isn’t helpful at all. That’s exactly what jenmarie does in the first reply of this thread.</p>