<p>Which one is better in term of quality of education and quality of life for engineering major? Is university of Michigan admission harder than UIUC?</p>
<p>i believe uiuc engineering is the best public engineering program in the country</p>
<p>not for mech or aero. michigan def. better!</p>
<p>You think UIUC is better than Cal-Berkeley?</p>
<p>Depends on the major and what type of area you like being in. Isn't michigan fairly urban? (I don't know) Whereas UIUC is like a mini-campus city surrounded by farms. I love it but it's not for people who love urban environments. Also if you are in-state for one just go for in-state. You might want to check a few things on both schools. If you need to make a trip they aren't that far away. Go and view them. I personally love UIUC but I like big schools, like the campus environment, and think the school is great and has a great program in almost every area.</p>
<p>And UIUC again is better than berkeley in some and not in others. For publics it is right behind Berkeley overall (1 & 2). Again environment and in-state would apply.</p>
<p>Ok, sorry. Cal-Berkeley is slightly better. I know that USNWR aren't that reliable, and I also know the below rankings are for grad schools, but here goes:</p>
<p>Engineering:
1) MIT
2) Stanford
3) UC Berkeley
4) GaTech and UIUC
6) UMICH
7) USC
8) CalTech</p>
<p>I'd say they (UIUC and Michigan) are equal in terms of overall Engineering quality and selectivity. When chosing between those two, I would recommend one looks at fit and cost.</p>
<p>For engineering, both UIUC and Mich are fine -- trying to split "quality" hairs between two highly ranked engineering programs is an excercise in futility that should be engaged in only by those who are enamored with the false belief that there really is a difference between the number 4 and number 6 ranked schools. As to admission, both have significantly higher 50% ranges for test scores and class ranks for engineering than the 50% range you usually find on-line which is for the university as a whole. For example UIUC's 50% range ACT scores for the university as a whole is usually 26 to 30 but for engineering it is 29 to 33; Mich is similar. It is easier for out-of-state residents to get into UIUC than Michigan. UIUC applies same admission criteria to both Illinois residents and non-residents whereas Mich generally requires non-Mich residents to have higher test scores and grades than Mich residents.</p>
<p>UIUC is better than Cal for illinois residents while Cal is better than UIUC for californians.
PS: Microsoft hires more students from UIUC than any other univ in the world</p>
<p>And Microsoft is doing so well. Where does Google hire the most?</p>
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<p>Obviously Stanford.</p>
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<p>I think what you mean to say is that Microsoft hires more ** computer ** students from UIUC than from any other school. Not ALL students, just computer students. </p>
<p>Secondly, I would point out that much of this has to do with sheer size. I don't have the exact numbers on me, but I know that Illinois churns out an absolutely huge number of computer graduates (ECE and CS) every year.</p>
<p>I am not sure about ECE but i know the CS department here is made up of around 1100 undergrads- which comes out to be around 270 graduating every year. And i doubt that number is SIGNIFICANTLY higher than some other top CS public schools like Cal, Michigan or Georgia tech.
btw Google seems to have a huge influence here at UIUC. Several events are sponsored by them and they always seem to have recruiters present to hire students.</p>
<p>Odd, UIUC was a little more selective than Michigan, with an average SAT about 50 points higher last year. But now theyre more or less even. UIUC is more or less stagnating while Michigan is climbing - The average SAT score of the entire UIUC peaked in 2003, but the average ACT score continues to rise, albeit glacially. Michigan's engineering school listed a median or average 1330 SAT before, and a 1380 now, quite an impressive jump.
Last year, UIUC: <a href="http://www.dmi.uiuc.edu/stuenr/OAR/FA04FreshmanProfile.doc%5B/url%5D">http://www.dmi.uiuc.edu/stuenr/OAR/FA04FreshmanProfile.doc</a>
This year, UIUC: <a href="http://www.oar.uiuc.edu/staff/systems/qdr/reports/FreshmanProfile_Fall2005.pdf%5B/url%5D">http://www.oar.uiuc.edu/staff/systems/qdr/reports/FreshmanProfile_Fall2005.pdf</a>
This year, Michigan: <a href="http://www.engin.umich.edu/about/studentprofile.html%5B/url%5D">http://www.engin.umich.edu/about/studentprofile.html</a></p>
<p>Well, I know that ECE graduates about 350 students a year. Hence, 350 in ECE + 270 in CS = 620. That's HUGE. </p>
<p>To put that in perspective, MIT doesn't have a separate CS department. MIT has a single unified EECS department. The EECS department is far and away the largest department at MIT, both in terms of students and in faculty. Yet that department confers only about 375 total EECS bachelor's degrees a year. Clearly 620>>375</p>
<p><a href="http://www.eecs.mit.edu/facts.html%5B/url%5D">http://www.eecs.mit.edu/facts.html</a></p>
<p>Or, take Berkeley. Berkeley, like Illinois, has 2 departments that graduate computer people - CS and EECS. Berkeley graduates about 115 CS students a year, and about 320 EECS students, for a total of 435. Clearly 620 >> 435. </p>
<p><a href="http://career.berkeley.edu/Major/CompSci.stm%5B/url%5D">http://career.berkeley.edu/Major/CompSci.stm</a>
<a href="http://career.berkeley.edu/Major/EECS.stm%5B/url%5D">http://career.berkeley.edu/Major/EECS.stm</a></p>
<p>I can't speak for Georgia Tech. But I know that Michigan, like MIT, also does not have a separate CS department but instead runs a unified EECS department that graduates about 400 BS students per year. Clearly 620>>400. </p>
<p>Now, let me deal with some objections. </p>
<h1>1 - That 270 number above might be wrong, as obviously not every one of those 1100 UIUC CS students are actually going to graduate with a CS degree. Some of them will switch majors, some will transfer to another school, some will flunk out completely. I think a number of, say, 150 is more reasonable. But even so, that still means that UIUC has a lot of computer grads.</h1>
<h1>2 - Not all of UIUC's ECE grads will specialize in computers and therefore shouldn't be counted as 'computer people'. That is true. On the other hand, you have to apply the same logic to the other schools. Not all of MIT's, Michigan's and Berkeley EECS grads are computer specialists either. Either way you cut it, looks like Illinois produces a lot of computer grads.</h1>
<p>I think 270 is pretty close, I have 2004, there were 211 BS for CS, 127 MS & MCS, and 25 PhD. You're right though there are a TON of compsci grads at U of I. Over 3/4 are graduating with a degree. That ain't bad. A more significant number than you thought. Even more significant considering how many CS majors I know that drop out of CS because they don't like the physics or other engineering classes involved. There may be even more with the new curriculum that puts more of an emphasis on math and CS than it used to on engineering (less physics, harder math, less chem) so more CS students may stick around. I also know quite a few GE's working for Apple right now. They just did a big iPod giveaway. They are always recruiting on campus.</p>
<p>1495 grads for ECE that's all I could find so I can't answer your second objection. So oh well.</p>
<p>Well, there you have it. UIUC simply graduates lots and lots of computer students. It should therefore not be surprising that a company like Microsoft would hire lots of UIUC computer students when there are just so many of them. </p>
<p>Also note, UIUC graduates about 350 BS ECE students per year. </p>