<p>"<em>pause</em> I think. Now is a good time. To make a quick exit. :exit stage right:"</p>
<p>LOL I'm gonna follow ya! :) Can't be bothered anymore with inuendo and his senseless, illogical so-called "argument" <em>yawn</em></p>
<p>What an honorable response jkh. Resorting to the typical, "I have nothing to say so I'm going to pretend like I don't care approach," so that you can leave with some dignity from an argument where your participation was pointless. It seems to me that you are the only one that is "senseless" and "illogical," since you have contributed absolutely nothing to this forum. Your exit would be to everyone's benefit. </p>
<p>chaoscomplex, after reading your post a few times, I am not sure which side of the fence you are sitting on. You quote something that I have said at the beginning of your post but then do not appear to reveal the purpose of citing this quotation. You mention something about British students being in the same position as US student although I did not address this issue at all in any of my posts. </p>
<p>You later go on to mention the populations of the respective countries, ignoring the fact that I was talking about proportion so, the relative size of the UK and US population is irrelevant. Additionally, I was not commenting about there being a greater selection of universities in the UK, at all. Instead, I was bringing to light information regarding the skewed cross-admit ratios between universities in these two nations, with the US gaining a far larger proportion of prospective students than the UK. There was no talk of proportion of superior universities. </p>
<p>I appreciate that most of your other comments are directed towards previous posts on the thread but you seem to jump between points so rapidly that it is difficult to gather what, exactly, you are trying to articulate. There are numerous contradictions in your statements which have a net effect of achieving nothing. </p>
<p>Perhaps you could enlighten me with a slightly more coherent post?</p>
<p>"I was bringing to light information regarding the skewed cross-admit ratios between universities in these two nations, with the US gaining a far larger proportion of prospective students than the UK"</p>
<p>I know students in both countries, and I can honestly say that i do not know one english person coming to school in the US. However, I do know people from the US going to the UK. I don't think many UK students would ever consider paying the amount that US schools expect when thay can pay the very low home fees. From people I know personally, I don't see many brits coming to American universities (atleast undergrad). Just an observation, not trying to spark a heated debate.</p>
<p>Perhaps chaos wasn't arguing? Perhaps chaos was presenting a useful, informed description of UK university choices?</p>
<p>You gave chaos the beat down because that description didn't follow a combative, talk-radio-style debate?</p>
<p>Good one.</p>
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Perhaps chaos wasn't arguing? Perhaps chaos was presenting a useful, informed description of UK university choices?</p>
<p>You gave chaos the beat down because that description didn't follow a combative, talk-radio-style debate?</p>
<p>Good one.
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<p>Thank you :-), that was my intention -- I'm already at university, so I don't need to get stressed choosing one ;-)</p>
<p>inuendo, I'm curious about your data too, since I know very few other Brits who came over here for college - do your data represent UK citizens, or just people who were educated in the UK? I know a lot more people who were educated in UK boarding schools but are not UKC's.</p>
<p>There is no need to question or be curious about my data. If you have any doubts, which seem to have occurred due to personal observation, please check the number of students from the UK in a US university, pick any university at random from a list such as US News. Then go to a UK university such as UCL or Oxford that publishes statistics and, ironically have the largest proportion of US admits in the UK, compare the student body percentages. You will notice that there is a tremendous disparity. </p>
<p>lauraanne, you bring up an excellent point. In the data that these colleges publish I am not sure whether they distinguish between UK educated and UK citizens. I assume, justifiably, that when referring to a particular country the colleges are referring to only citizens of that country and not where they were educated. Nevertheless, it does raise some doubts, especially about the ethnicity of international students admitted. For example an Indian who has become a British passport holder may count as an admitted Briton.</p>
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<p>As long as you don't cite it, there is every reason to question it ;-).</p>
<p><a href="http://www.ukcosa.org.uk/survey/report.pdf%5B/url%5D">http://www.ukcosa.org.uk/survey/report.pdf</a> (page 82) has a table of country of origin for international students in the UK, the order is China, Greece, USA, Germany, France etc, with 14365 from the USA. Can anyone find an equivalent table for the USA?</p>
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Yes, probably -- but an Indian with a US passport will count as a US citizen in their tables.</p>
<p>thanks for that link there, that was interesting :/ I'm considering English and Irish uni's and I never even thought about some of that stuff.</p>
<p>Which issues were interesting? I didn't read the report, I skipped straight to the statistics at the end -- I hope it's not put you off!</p>
<p>chaoscomplex, thank you for this outstanding document. I have not been able to find an equivalent for North American universities but perhaps we should come to expect one.</p>
<p>This document contains a wealth of information for prospective international students looking to attend a university in the UK. </p>
<p>A table containing the "Top 20 countries of Domicile in UK Higher Education," indicates that the USA, Germany, France and Ireland are all the third most represented nations in UK's universities at about 5% of the total student body. There are two problems with this data.</p>
<p>First, the data is about "countries of domicile," as opposed to "countries of origin," therefore the number of US citizens is likely to be slightly lower. This is a minor point and is probably irrelevant in the larger scheme of things. </p>
<p>Second, and most importantly, the data tabulates the number of students from their respective countries in "Higher Education," which includes undergraduates, post-graduates, the whole lot. Therefore, international numbers are likely to be skewed since there are significantly more internationals, particularly US students, who do post-graduate studies abroad than undergraduate studies abroad. Since we were discussing the undergraduate proportions this data is not that useful. Additionally, we do not have a US equivalent to compare it with.</p>
<p>Regarding JakeR's comments, I'm sure that this document did not put him off in anyway. It is clearly an attempt by British education authorities to market a British degree to foreign students and capture more of an ever increasing market; one that it has been losing out on over the past 20 years. </p>
<p>Nevertheless, the results of the survey are very encouraging, showing that more than half of the undergraduate international students in the UK are satisfied with their overall education experience as of 2002.</p>
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<p>chaoscomplex, thx, great post.</p>
<p>chaoscomplex, thx, great post.</p>
<p>hahaha, nice follow up innuendo ;)</p>
<p>ty........</p>
<p>does anyone know of a website that is good for american students wishing to transfer to british universities?</p>
<p>i continue to adfirm that the most part of you are driving crazy trying to compare british and american universities.
a lot of people here say that the english standard is lower than the american one, because the admission rate is much higher in britain.
and wery low in america. i just want to say that this depend on the quality of education in the american high school.
the american high school standard is very very very low absolutely low !</p>
<p>"does anyone know of a website that is good for american students wishing to transfer to british universities?"</p>
<p>You can try the USA British council website. Google for it! Hope this helps.</p>