<p>Everyone gets done by a different time depending on their singing/acting slot, but I really do think it is all wrapped up by 5ish. When is your D's slot? Obviously, slots can run off schedule but the slots do not take long....they are individual slots, not a group time. The only group thing is in the morning....the introduction and the dance.</p>
<p>I don't know if she has her individual time slot yet or not. She's away at school and is handling (most) all of this on her own. I'm sure, though, if she's finished by 5:00, that would be just fine for what we've mapped out. Now all I have to do is pray for mild winter traveling weather and a healthy D!</p>
<p>triplethreatx3: My son's friend did the Umich, CCM January weekend last year and it worked out very well for him. He is attending Umich this year as a Freshman. If you are staying overnight in Cincinnatti, I would suggest the Kingsgate Marriott. It has a discount for CCM auditionees and it is 5 minutes from CCM village.</p>
<p>triplethreat, your D should have received an email containing a document that lists a typical audition day schedule. According to that, voice and acting auditions are held from 12:30 to 5:30 p.m. on audition days, which I know is no help at all! I wonder if it is worth calling Laura Strozeski's office to ask whether they would allow your D to audition earlier in the queue that day, rather than later, as you have to leave for another city. If I were you, I would give it a try. They seem very nice and cooperative at Michigan, so my guess is that they will take your request into consideration! Tell your D to break a leg! Mine finally got her audition invite around Thanksgiving, so she is very excited, too!</p>
<p>Bumping this thread - while old, the information should all still be applicable…</p>
<p>My d auditoned in Chicago unifieds. Univ of Michigan was her first choice, but after the audition she has changed her mind. When they say 16 bar, they mean just that, the comment made was “do you think your better than a 16 bar? And if you can’t do what we ask then we have to look at whether you are right for us.” The piano accompaniest embelleshed the measures and thru my daughter off her game and left her singing at the end without any music. It was a terrible let down.</p>
<p>I was at the Chicago unifieds. I found them to be very friendly and the comment on the 16 bar was simply to remind them to follow the rules. Did your daughter clearly explain to the pianist the tempo? The accompanist was the assistant professor of music at the mt department so she must have known what she was doing.</p>
<p>I really enjoyed the audition :)</p>
<p>mtlover I am happy your audition with Michigan was enjoyable. I guess different strokes for different folks. The tempo was not the problem, the pianist added notes and flowered up the score. But, you didn’t think his comments about putting down other schools because they were a conservatory and not a university setting were inappropriate. And to put down a school that used a recorded accompaniment instead of live. Of course, live is better. Don’t know which day you went but I was so surprised that so many comments were made to put down other programs. No other school did that.</p>
<p>And I might add he said that we should not do our homework from other websites about a school. I do call the school if I really want to know something. He used College Confidential as an example and called it a bunch of bull or crap or something on that line.</p>
<p>I’m not saying it’s right or wrong, but sometimes an accompanist who is familiar with the score version of a song, and believes that the score accompaniment may be more flattering to the singer, or present a better demonstration of the singer’s abilities, will revert to it.</p>
<p>I’m not saying this was the case with your daughter, but sometimes watered-down accompaniments don’t support the singer nearly as well as the original, and the accompanist may have thought she was doing her a favor.</p>
<p>As to the comments about getting info from websites such as College Confidential, readers should realize that not all advice on here is created equal (or on other similar sites). It appears to me that most posters are parents, many of whom were “babes in the woods” of MT until their child began this process. It is great to get support and encouragement, but placing full reliance on facts just isn’t wise. What may have been true at some schools may absolutely not apply at others. What may have been true last year, or a couple of years ago might have changed.</p>
<p>To cite 2 specific examples – one being the 16-bar rule. Some parents have stated that it is not hard and fast, that the schools are going more for an approximate time. At some schools, that is safe…based on what you heard, it is NOT safe at Michigan.</p>
<p>Example 2 – “do not use” lists. Some current auditioners have given others the advice that they are more guidelines, and if someone can really rock the song to go for it. Again - that may work some places (or the posters may just make that assumption), but I know of one school who will absolutely draw a slash through that audition form, even if the auditionee was the best person they’d heard this year.</p>
<p>If you “break rules” given for auditions, it may mean you under-researched, or it may mean that you think rules don’t apply to you - in either case, it may raise a red flag about whether they want to work with you for 4 years. When schools are looking at single-digit acceptance rates, they can find someone who was the talent they are looking for, and who abides by their rules - it’s not a question of either-or.</p>
<p>First of all I am not a newbie to College Confidential. I use this web site as a resource and call the schools directly to validate my questions. Most schools do use the 16-bar as a guideline and not the absolute rule. But anyway that isn’t my point. To make a comment about whether you are smarter or should receive special treatment and then leave a person singing without music was a little inflammatory.</p>
<p>And then the insults to the other programs and schools, why? No other school did that!</p>
<p>Oh, and regarding the flowering up a score to try to make the performance of the auditionee appear better, it was really a distraction. The piano was placed behind her so they could not make eye contact.</p>
<p>I ask my d “do you ever need to ask the accompiniest to only play the music as it is written?” This of course has never is 6 years been a consideration that the pianist takes free liberties to show off their own performance skills during the vocalist audition.</p>
<p>Just saying it was another learning experience, and one can never rest on their own to be able to predict any audition based upon your own skills. I am sure this woman was very skilled but maybe should take into consideration her best might and has been a distraction. Would be the same for a pianist that can’t keep the timing, throws off the auditionee.</p>
<p>I don’t mean to contradict your impressions, but in contrast to your experience, when my daughter auditioned last year for Michigan, Mr. Wagner made a point of not putting down any other programs, but did challenge parents and students to be aware of the differences of small conservatory programs to being part of a larger University setting. Not saying one was better than the other, but to look at what was best for the student so that it was a win win situation. Many other places that my daughter did audition for, did actually promote their own program by trying to put down another, but Michigan did not do this.</p>
<p>Again, I am sorry for your daughters experience, but I did want to show another perspective.</p>
<p>My d also auditioned at mich and had a similar experience to mommamt. Mr. Wagner discussed the differences among programs and how he feels UMich is a good program because it is in a university setting. They were very clear that they were strict about the 16 bars. My d felt it was a stressful experience and not her best audition, although they did ask her to sing both songs. If she had gone over the 16 bar limit on the first song, I am sure she would not have been asked to sing the other. Sorry about your d’s experience. We think it is an excellent program and very nurturing (once you’re in). They were not as kind as gracious as say CMU but they were polite and respectful, which goes a long way in my book.</p>
<p>I really don’t want to read too much into whether singing one song or both would mean anything but I heard from my friends that if you sang one song it means they aren’t considering you? Did those who were accepted sing both songs? I was asked to sing my second song and they wanted to see the second monologue and did some vocalizing with me… U of M is my top choice so I have a lot to ask so sorry if this seems annoying :S</p>
<p>Mr. Wagner specifically said not to read anything into the fact that they do or do not ask request the second song. He said that sometimes they don’t get what they need from the first and sometimes they do. Since we are still awaiting, I don’t know how that aligns with my D’s audition…</p>
<p>they did the same with me…makes me really wonder what that means. hahaha this is so stressful!</p>
<p>yeah, and I’m under the impression that not many were asked for their second monologue either… anyway, I’m just not going to read too much into that and hope for the best :):)</p>
<p>let’s just hope that is the case hahaha :)</p>
<p>I haven’t been on CC in quite a long time, but had to check in after a recent coversation with my daughter who is a student in the MT program at UMich. She was in the music school building recently on the day of auditions, and called me while she was there. I have to tell you that we loved reminiscing about the day of her audition! She talked about how much fun it was to see all these new auditioning students hustling about, looking nervous and excited, and waiting for their turn to audition! As scary and anxiety-filled as that day was, it’s a wonderful memory now, and I hope it will be for many of you as well!</p>
<p>I wanted to also respond to some of the commments above about the audition process there. Our experience was also very positive (and not just because she eventually was admitted. I would have said so even if she hadn’t been!). In the opening meeting with parents and students, Mr. Wagner was very professional and polite about other programs. He definitely makes his case for why he believes a University program is more benefical to students than a straight conservatory approach, but isn’t that what you’d expect from the program director? He’s not there to advertise the benefits of other schools! And at no time did we ever feel that he was being negative about any other programs, he was simply sharing why he believes the University of Michigan has the best program for students looking for a university environment.</p>
<p>One other interesting observation about certain auditioners’ inability/unwillingness to abide by the 16-bar rule – unfortunately, it appears that far too many prospective students seem to think they are above that rule, or that it just doesn’t need to apply to them. Apparantly, this has been happening more and more often at recent auditions. </p>
<p>In fact, one person auditioning actually asked the current students (who were assisting with the auditions that day) if they thought the faculty would really try and hold them to the 16-bar rule, expressing that they hoped not, because they had a 24-bar cut and didn’t want to have to shorten it any more. Well, this person then went into the audition, and when the faculty told them they would have to abide by the 16-bar rule, this kid actually lied to them and said they had NO idea about that rule… hmm… really??! Obviously, this person didn’t realize that the students outside the room could hear the conversation inside. I wouldn’t be surprised if they shared this with the faculty afterward. </p>
<p>So, word to the wise – follow the rules! And if you don’t, do NOT be offended if you have to be told that you BROKE them! It’s always better to be safe than sorry. </p>
<p>Finally, you really can’t read anything into whether or not you sing one song or two. From the experiences of admitted students that we’ve heard about, it’s about a 50/50 split as to whether or not they sang one song or two. Only the faculty knows if they hear what they want in one song or two! Good luck to all!</p>