A lot apply. A lot go. If 30+ students apply and 10-13 go, it’s less than half, but it’s still a lot who are going. Not sure if that’s considered a bad track record.
I am thoroughly confused brantly. It would seem that Michigan is in fact extending your daughter’s school an incredible courtesy. If 10-13 students from your daughter’s school end up enrolling at Michigan annually, I would estimate that 20 or so are getting acceptances. That is huge for an OOS school.
@alexandre. My kids school has about those numbers also. I’m not sure if it’s “an incredible courtesy” or the fact that the average ACT among kids with grades in the top quarter of the class is a 32, and the average U MICH GPA is a 3.95 ( the UW GPA at the school for these kids is much lower since an A- is a 3.66, many of the good students have lots of A- grades). In addition to high scores and GPA, kids are pushed to be very involved in extracurriculars. And as a final factor our community tends to have many Umich alums ( we are a close by state) who are big donors.
maya, I am not saying that Michigan should not admit those students, I am merely saying that Michigan is clearly admitting enough students from those high schools, so those who are not getting in should not assume there is some sort of conspiracy. I suppose the generous alumni have a lot to do with it. Maybe I should start donating! 
They do defer ~85% of EA applicants simply because of the size of applicant pool
Is this true? I read something earlier that there may be a second wave of increased apps and if so I suppose the deferral rate will keep increasing.
All I was saying was that there is a rhyme and reason for the EA deferrals that may have nothing to do with a student’s stats or a school’s “record” of enrollment of admitted kids.
And our local OOS HS is not unusual. Many of the nearby schools send 10 or more students to UMich every year. It’s very popular in these parts.
brantly, that’s to be expected when a university receives 40,000+ OOS applicants and can only admit 8,000 of those applicants. You are not going to have predictable outcomes. I do not think any of us is qualified to second-guess the admissions office decisions. We may deem certain applicants unworthy or less worthy, but unless we know exactly what they have done with every waking second of their lives, we really aren’t in a position to judge.
Sorry, but that’s a ridiculous standard. The admissions staff is certainly in a position to judge, and they do not know what anyone has done with every waking second. I do agree about your bigger point though.
CHD2013, my point is, we do not know applicants beyond our opinion of them, so we should not judge. Just because we know their GPA and test scores does not mean we know how the admissions office at a university will perceive them.
Your point, @Alexandre, is completely valid. Your previous post, however, took the point way too far.
I don’t think I took the point “way too far”. If someone objects to an admissions staff’s decision, they are in essence claiming to be more qualified in making the decision than the admissions office. As such, I do not think it is unreasonable to expect that person to know everything about the applicant…including the particulars of the applicant’s essays and the exact thinking of the admission’s staff.
^^^^Totally agree.
You’re actually standing behind this statement? Ok, why should someone who second guesses an admissions office need to have MORE info than the admissions office itself? Wouldn’t it be more logical to state that they should have as much info as the admissions office? I initially thought you were trying to be funny, or something like that; I’m really surprised you think the statement is worthy of defense. On the other hand, I’m not the least bit surprised by the agreement you got and who you got it from.
“I initially thought you were trying to be funny, or something like that;”
“Sorry, but that’s a ridiculous standard.”
Your response to my statement suggests otherwise CHD.
I obviously did not mean it literally. Nobody can know everything about anyone. But I did mean that those who “second guess” the decision of the admissions office should know more, not just as much, about the applicant than the admissions office…and just as importantly, should also have a very clear understanding of what that very same admissions office was trying to accomplish in that specific outcome. After all, the burden of proof lies with the accuser, not the accused. If someone is accusing the admissions office of being unreasonable, or unjust, then that someone should have evidence beyond the simple facts to back up their claim.
That being said, I understand the frustration, disappointment and even heartbreak that comes with the admission decision, and the natural response to those emotions.
It looks like the Admissions office put the grown- ups back in charge of their Tumblr account. Last year it was at least in in my view, embarrassingly snarky and really not sensitive to the normal stress that anyone applying would feel.
“On the other hand, I’m not the least bit surprised by the agreement you got and who you got it from.”
On the other hand, I’m not the least bit surprised that you are making an issue out of a innocuous statement pertaining to the University of Michigan. You have a history of doing it.
I’m glad, although I wonder why you defended it when the accuracy was questioned instead of acknowledging that you were engaging in hyperbole. I didn’t think it was obvious to everyone, hence my post.
@rjknovi - You are totally in agreement with a post that the writer himself has now said he “obviously did not mean it literally.” Sorry if you have a problem with precision and accuracy my friend.
You and I both knew Alexandre meant in his original statement. If someone else made the same comment about one of your pet schools, you would have completely ignored it.
CHD, whether the exact wording was to your liking or not does not alter the fact that the meaning remained the same. I defended the meaning. Saying that I “took the point too far” ignored the point itself. Applicants and their concerned parents do not know nearly as much about other applicants as the admissions office does…and they know absolutely nothing about what the admissions office is looking for. In other words, while disappointment is a natural part of the admissions process, criticizing the decision of the admissions office is futile.
And for the record, rjk agreed with post #30, not with my use of allegory.
“Sorry if you have a problem with precision and accuracy my friend.”
The feeling is mutual.