United World Colleges

<p>Jurily, I do not agree with you. First of all, I think UWC is also ordinary except that we have more clear and defined ideals to change the world, if you have read our personal statement. You said UWC is a “prestige crap”. That is not true. We are prestigious, but if you claim that we are “crap” then put up your arguments. I have studied both in a local school and a uwc, and I found both experience enriching, enriching in a way that I could truly understand my culture, find my interest and make a group of friends who will be scattered around the world some 10 years later. So, I didn’t find any “crap” in this school. From what I have learned in UWC or even before, “jerk” is equally offensive as “crap”. Perhaps that is the most ‘unordinary’ education that uwc offers me. Secondly, you claimed that Wallace humiliated all local schoolers. I don’t agree. I only thought he humiliates you because that is a natural instinct to your insult in the first place. Thirdly, you claimed that you are proud because you speak perfect English. I tell you, I am proud for my whole life because I understand that English does not wholly define communication. Even though you speak perfect English, you aren’t necessarily a good communicator. Even though you speak perfect English, it does not mean you are in UWC. UWC wants someone who KNOW what true communication means, unrestricted by accents. Fourth, you said you don’t give a ‘damn’ thing about uwc, then why do you leave a msg here? Why do you emphasize your beating of our schoolmates (‘beat’ isn’t appropriate, cuz we seldom use it)? </p>

<p>I leave my msg because I do give a damn thing about UWC.</p>

<p>Would just like to add my two-cents worth on the argument raging here, simply because I'm also Wesleyan Freeman Scholar 09 and hate to see bickering between my two partners from Hong Kong.</p>

<p>I'm from Malaysia, and this is the first I've heard of UWC's, so do correct me if I am wrong. From what I've read, UWC's seems to offer a very good deal, so much so that it gives impressions of being elitist to those outside it's system. For instance, think of the Ivy League, isn't there some serious prestige attached to it?</p>

<p>Even though, as Gianievve said, UWC does offer need-based scholarships, that does not mean a 'rich arrogant' stereotype would be eliminated. A stereotype is nothing but public perception, Neha1 and Boomer01 seem to be saying that the high fees, highly selective entrance procedures, general affluence of the students (face it, there will be more well-rounded high achievers among the rich, it's a question of opportunities), and perhaps arrogant behavior of a few individuals have served to reinforce this view.</p>

<p>OK, so here's what I got from the argument going on....</p>

<p>Jurily's first two comments are to me perfectly valid expressions of a personal opinion, perhaps she happens to know a couple of jerks who happen to be UWCers. I agree that, as Cevonia alluded, the generalisation was in bad taste. Despite that, Jurily has the freedom to express that view.</p>

<p>Jurily's next two comments were no longer contributed in a manner conducive to the discussion. The first is vaguely self-congratulating, and both seemed malicious in nature, aiming to discredit UWCs. Jurily, such personal views of yours should be conveyed diplomatically with more tact, or else not expressed at all.</p>

<p>Wallace's reply to Jurily is choke-full of expletives, and launches a direct, provocative attack on Jurily's 'person'. I disagree with this strongly, I think An<em>outcry</em>to_ignorance would agree with me that this is not the type of 'true communication' that UWCers are supposed to know and show.</p>

<p>Things just go downhill from there. Jurily gets emotional, the core of her next post seems to be simply what I said in the above paragraph, but contains some badly worded sentences that sparks even more controversy. Kill<em>yew and An</em>outcry<em>to</em>ignorance come to the defense of their 'school', but do so using language and tone that would only serve to (intentionally or not) further provoke Jurily.</p>

<p>Here's the way I see it. Jurily has made two main accusations, the first being that UWCers are jerks. Though it seems Jurily never meant it as a generalisation, the statement has since been retracted. Can we agree to let it rest, if Jurily apologises?</p>

<p>The next is this "UWC prestige crap". An<em>outcry</em>to<em>ignorance, I think you were mistaken to look at the words separately. Reading the original post, I am of the opinion that Jurily meant that "the prestige/reputation that UWC enjoys among 'outsiders' is misplaced". Kill</em>yew said "(they) never think (they) are a better school", An<em>outcry</em>to_ignorance said "UWC is also ordinary". You all seem to agree, at least a little. It is just that Jurily's words were horribly crude.</p>

<p>Wallace ought to apologise to everyone (especially to Jurily) for the language used.</p>

<p>The rest of the accusations and complaints came after provocation, from one side or another. In Malaysia we have 3 major races, and a number of smallers ones, all jumbled together. If we started insulting each other the whole country would fall apart. Hence diplomacy and tolerance is a large part of our culture. UWCers I have yet to see any of this 'true communication' An<em>outcry</em>to_ignorance talked about.</p>

<p>The aim of communication has always been to avoid confrontations and to develop understanding. That's what this forum is for, isn't it? To spread knowledge of UWC and encourage balanced discussions about its strengths and weaknesses. Lets see some of that here, please.</p>

<p>My apologies to anyone I have insulted, it was not done intentionally.</p>

<p>Eric from Malaysia, that's where I'm from too, do u have any interest leaving me your msn or icq??? btw, where do u come from (I'm from NS), thx for cooling down the discussion a bit.</p>

<p>Jurily my dear friend,</p>

<p>I only have one sole comment for you:</p>

<p>UWC rejects students for a reason
And the reason for your rejection
Is extremely obvious.</p>

<p>One does not have the right to enter UWC
If he fails to even understand and believe in its mission
However difficult
It is a mission we embrace and strive for</p>

<p>And that mission
Is so, so, so unrelated to academic acheivements.</p>

<p>I pray for your ignorance.</p>

<p>this is jurily:
i totally regretted posting what i said
this is ok now?</p>

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this is jurily:
i totally regretted posting what i said
this is ok now?

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lets end on a happy note, both local n uwc have their pros n cons..:)</p>

<p>I went to LPCUWC and now go to UCLA. so i do feel offended by what wallace_lpc said. on the other hand what jurily said about UWCers are jerks isn't exactly a nice thing to say, but hey let's face it, every school has jerks in it. during my LPC days, i met quite some jerks myself. and I don't see anything wrong with her saying she's beaten 2 UWCers either, she did, and I think college admission is a competition in itself. She has every right to say she has beaten 2 LPCers, though as a LPCer myself, I do hate to see that scene.</p>

<p>Let's face this too, 90% of the people who applied for UWCs went for their prestige instead of their education philosophy. It does seem to me a bit jerk-like to bully a local school student and using her rejection against her. I'm proud to have been an UWCer, but to be fair I admit many of the students are arrogant richie-kids and tend to look down upon local students. My friends and I used to go to inter-school activities and call the other participants 'locals', which is ironic because most of the LPCers are from local schools. I myself went to a local school as well so, no matter you kids are laughing at 'local school prestige' or 'UWC prestige', I feel offended either way.</p>

<p>I'm not helping either side, just trying to be fair.</p>

<p>and honestly I dont see any sign of knowing what communication truely means on any of the UWCers here either. If you think using 'beaten' isn't appropriate, then don't tell other people you're from an UWC and say the f-word.</p>

<p>This is just to clarify that Wallace_lpc is not the one who receive Wesleyan Asian Freeman Scholarship. I am very unhappy and feel offended by someone who has stolen my name and speaks publicly on something which I will never say in my life. And, I hope that person does not do that again for this has greatly damage my credibility and has already caused an incorrigible damage between ny future schoolmates and I. I know it is useless in posting this message here for I do not know who that person is, but I am very upset when poeple point anything on that person, it is just like pointing at me and accusing me on something I have not mentioned. </p>

<p>I sincerely hope that this will not happen again.</p>

<p>Hey everyone
I'm Fern from Malaysia (Penang) and Im currently studying at the Mahindra UWC in India... and i would recommend this experience to anyone... its not just a bunch of spoiled rich kids although those exist in almost any institution of learning with a slightly higher than normal price tag (all UWCs are very expensive) however, most of us are on merit/need scholarships... it does open many doors and teaches you a lot of things... so please people... do not condemn something you really dont know that much about..</p>

<p>Hey,</p>

<p>I am an Indian studying at the Mahindra United World College as well... and let me tell you one thing. There are a lot of rich people here, true, but there is definitely no discrimination on the basis of how well-off you are. I would definitely recommend a UWC experience as well - its unique.</p>

<p>There is a lot of aid available for attending a UWC too. Most people here are on some amount of aid.</p>

<p>Aww...</p>

<p>I found out about the UWC in 2003 while I was doing my gap year. I found them interesting and wanted to apply. </p>

<p>However, we were told that I was already too old as I'd be entering it in my 19th year and they only take people 18 and under.</p>

<p>Shame; it would have been a great experience. But no big loss; I'm in a very international college right now, and I'll be participating in the WorldSmart Leadership Program soon, which will be just as international and tons of fun too :D</p>

<p>Those of you at UWC - have fun :D</p>

<p>B*B, Tiara</p>

<p>most of the kids i met at UWC were extremely hapy there.
whether this was due to weed/the school, i didn't figure out.</p>

<p>but it was very chilled out. nice friendly people.</p>

<p>the funniest (perhaps not most accurate) description i've heard is that UWC Pune is an "extension of the Osho ashram"</p>

<p>just to clarify:</p>

<p>The UWC in Singapore is very different from the other UWCs in the sense that students on scholarships there are a minority. Most of the UWCs have the majority of their students on scholarship (at least half of the 10 UWCs have ALL of their students on full scholarships). Hence, I think, the "rich kid" stereotype of UWC kids -in Singapore-. A lot of people would also venture to say that this affects the culture of the UWC in Singapore, since the students there are mainly admitted based on their ability to pay, rather than having been selected through an extremely rigorous application/screening process (like most of the UWC students at other UWCs). </p>

<p>Regarding the ability of UWC kids in Singapore to get into top universities - I actually have a fairly comprehensive list of the schools that the students from the UWC in Singapore were admitted to about 1 or 2 years ago; it is pretty formidable and is comparable to RJC's admissions stats (which I also have). </p>

<p>Different UWCs also have different university admissions success rates (from what I have seen) - but generally, if you do well academically at a UWC, the prestige of a UWC is a bonus when you apply to colleges/universities. </p>

<p>Don't judge all the UWCs just based on one UWC, or a few UWC students; especially if you don't have full knowledge of how the system/movement works, and the differences across UWCs around the world.</p>

<p>In general, how old/what grade are people in when they apply to UWC? Does it vary from campus to campus? Also, out of curiosity, are the students allowed off campus on their own?</p>

<p>UWCSEA in Singapore is a K-12 school. We take them in at all ages. We're the only ones. Every other one, bar Simon Boliver in South America (I can never remember which country!) is IB only. And yes, students are allowed off campus at the others - after all, they are at least 16. UWCs aren't correctional facilities</p>

<p>As to our ability to place students into top colleges, well, we do well enough.</p>

<p>From the US and Canada, you're supposed to come to the UWC during what would have been your senior year of high school, so you apply the January of your junior year. Of course, you can try applying in your sophomore year, but it's really difficult to get in that way. I think they accept about 1 sophomore every other year.
I don't know how, but at least here, from the US and Canada, people usually end up being a little young for their grade back home, around 16-17 when they come. But once you get here, your age really doesn't matter. Just the other night people came to some guy's b-day and were like, "wow...you're only turning 17?"</p>

<p>Yeah...I just turned 17 last month as well.</p>

<p>And according to the info I was given, you need to be b/w 16 - 21 yrs of age to apply :s so I dont know why you werent allowed because you were 19.</p>

<p>And flame, thank you for finally realising that the UWC is NOT! an extension of the Osho ashram. Enough people have flamed you for that statement on another thread.</p>

<p>can soemone tell me abt this osho ashram?? thnx...</p>

<p>Osho was this guy who said that one could indulge all they wanted in the material world or simeting like that as a path to nirvana. Essentially its a very hippie place where s**, booze and drugs flow.</p>

<p>A lot of ppl have been spreading the rumour that The Mahindra UWC is like Osho Ashram, full of potheads and charsis (out of CC as well) and this has put off quite a lot of people. All I can say is, if you dont want to come here because of some unconfirmed rumour, its your loss. </p>

<p>Sorry for the vengeful tone but this is a matter close to me. Nobody from my old school applied this year because of these crap rumours.</p>