<p>Is it that hard to get into Ross?</p>
<p>Amazon, getting into Ross was never statistically difficult, but it did required excellent credentials. The average Ross student is ranked in the 90%ile of the Michigan student body. Keep in mind that such a student graduated from high school with a 4.0 GPA (unweighed), top 1% class rank and a mean SAT score in the 1460-1480 range. The range of Ross students ranged between the 75th%ile and the 99th%ile of Michigan students. That means students who graduate from high school with 3.9-4.0 unweighed GPAs, in the top 2% of their class with SAT ranges between 1400-1600. </p>
<p>That's why the companies that hire the most Ross undergraduates are Goldman Sachs, JP Morgan, UBS and Boston Consulting Group. I'd say that on average, about 10% of Ross graduates end up working at one of those four companies. </p>
<p>This year is the first year that Ross will admit high school students straight into Ross, so it is impossible to know how difficult it will be to get into Ross directly from High School for a couple of years. But I wouldn't be surprised if it were very difficult to get in.</p>
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Then they get slaughtered by USC? What the **** happened? It doesn't make a shred of sense. Sure, I can understand if they lost by 10 points. Maybe even 15 points. But they lost by 36 points!
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<p>Much, much better coaching. Many more high quality players.</p>
<p>Alexandre, I disagree with the insinuations made by you in post #156. It appears, from your wording, that NYC is an environment that cultivates a clubbing social life for the 4 years. </p>
<p>I admit, I've only lived in NYC when I was 1-3 years old, but I have a friend attending NYU (CAS, not Stern) and she adores NYC not only for its independence and busy-ness, but also for its cultural and diverse atmosphere.</p>
<p>You state "adults" will love it at UMich and those who expect to be babied will not handle it at UMich. To each their own, when it comes to college environment. Some do prefer smaller class/school sizes where professors teach most, if not all of the classes.
NYU fosters independence of its own, as well. Yes, it doesn't seem to have much school spirit, but then it's up the student to decide for him/herself how to spend their time and how to responsibly handle the bustle of the city life.</p>
<p>I know nothing about Ross or Stern besides what I read online, so I'll leave the discussion that this thread is suppose to be about alone.</p>
<p>Izzy, I am not sure where you are going with this. I was stating a fact. NYU does not have much of a campus life. I am not talking about fraternity parties and football games mind you. I was talking about a distinct college atmosphere with a very strong culture and interminable student-led activity (mostly intellectual and cultural) on campus. </p>
<p>Your point about your friend loving NYC is exactly what I was saying. If you want NYC at all cost and do not care for the college experience, NYU is awesome. It is academically strong and located in one of NYC's nicer and livelier parts.</p>
<p>And when I said that students who want to be babied won't handle Michigan well, it is not because the faculty does not care about the students or about teaching or because classes are large, but rather, because Michigan faculty expect students to be self-starters. 97% of all classes are led by professors and only 15% or so of the classes (mostly Freshman intro classes) have more than 50 students.</p>
<p>Rereading my post, I suppose I was incoherent, or lacked a focused point.</p>
<p>Sorry about that.</p>
<p>I'll just exit gracefully; I know I lack skills in presenting logical, rational arguments and this isn't one I'm quite passionate about.</p>
<p>spongebob squarepants: Good luck with all your applications, whichever schools they be to!</p>
<p>just to reiterate the aforementioned insights regarding the decision that has probably already been made, it comes down to personal preference, not much else.</p>
<p>it was midly entertaining to see the bickering back and forth comparing the surprisingly equal-in-rankings umich and nyu, in terms of law school and business school. i would like to add as a side note, to A2Wolves6, that sports do not have any substantial significance in the college decision. i mean, come on, football? if anynthing, i would think that students should consider the utterly disturbing amount of top schools that recruit mediocre (at best) students. i knew of one too many morons who got accepted into cornell and princeton. so football should be the last of your arguments.</p>
<p>i ended up double-majoring in studio art and advertising, and in terms of art, nyu is a considerably better place. just goes to show how all areas have to be considered to make a truly extreme argument.</p>
<p>it depends on where you want to be, who you want to be around, what you want to do, and where you can afford.</p>
<p>Football creates a lifelong bond among alums--especially business types.</p>
<p>it may cause 'lifelong bonds', but it's also keeps perfectly qualified students from getting into schools, which is simply unfair. no question with that.</p>
<p>I'm not sure where you are getting your statistics on NYU being outside of the top 20 in undergraduate business schools. US News and World Report 2006 Rankings put it at #5 for undergraduate programs, and #13 for graduate programs. (They rank Michigan at a tie for #3 and #10 in these categories). Forbes ranks NYU at #13 for graduate business and Michigan at #20 for graduate business. So the schools are relatively equal.</p>
<p>By the way, getting 3.9-4.0 is all very nice, but everyone knows that schools are not equivalent, and whether you take honor courses, AP courses, IB courses, etc. makes a difference as does how much you work outside of class and how much extracurricular activities you participate in as well as your personal situation concerning home situations (divorces in the family, deaths, natural disasters like Katrina). I'd rather meet someone (and admit someone) with a 3.2 who learned from experiences, helped support their family, or has travelled the world helping out others than someone who got a 4.0 while living in their preppy Michigan household playing their video games and shopping at the local mall, and never worked a day in their life.</p>
<p>I seriously doubt the 85 football players at UM are taking slots from anyone. They have around 25,000 undergrads and overshot the admissions target by more than a couple of hundred this year. Total red herring issue. Great football helped build the UM and you won't see that changing in your lifetime.</p>
<p>all of what you said is true about UM, but i was speaking more generally. hence the mentioning of other schools. kids merely recruited for nothing more than sports while others suffer to real admissions processes are what i'm referring to, and it's more than a valid argument.</p>
<p>Looks like i'm uber late on this one, but I find this thread super interesting. I have a view that no one else on the board has (having been an undergrad at NYU and a law student at Michigan). Take my advice with a grain of salt, however, since being a law student at Michigan may not be the same thing as being an undergrad (in fact, I would wager that it would be very different).</p>
<p>1) The discussions you guys have had regarding average SAT scores is probably faulty. You guys are comparing the ranges. The fact is, singlehandedly, NYU has higher average SAT's. You can't add the 25% in math and english and get the overall 25%- the same goes with the 75%. More than likely, those who got a score on the 75% for math are likely to get a much lower score on the verbal section and vice versa. NYU reports its overall range to be 1310-1440. Michigan has two ranges where if you add the math and verbal it was 1220-1410 (or something like that). The 75% would likely shift down significantly, and the 25% would likely shift up. You should see a range of something like 1270-1370 (just a random guess).</p>
<p>2) Michigan has higher GPA's. This is undeniably true, but for the same reason that Law Schools don't care about college GPA's, high school GPA is a faulty measurement of achievement. Frankly, east coast schools are harder to excel at. NYU gets most of its students from the east coast and many private high schools. Michigan draws its students from the midwest- at high schools where it is much easier to do well. For example, at my High School (stuyvesant, a very good public high school), i did VERY poorly. Yet, I did very well at NYU and am doing very well at Michigan. Yet, I was reported as having less than a 3.0 in high school (I recieved a 1550+ on my SAT). I went straight through from Ugrad to law school. All of this bolsters my belief that NYU undergrad students are stronger than Michigan undergrad students (on the whole). Maybe I have a skewed perspective, but being in a few college clubs outside of the law school my opinion of the intellectual prowess of the average undergrad here is not very high.</p>
<p>That said, the strength of the student body at Michigan for undergrad v. NYU is not the sole determinant of what college you should choose. Personally, I liked NYU a lot more than I like Michigan, but thats a personal opinion.</p>
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Michigan has two ranges where if you add the math and verbal it was 1220-1410 (or something like that). The 75% would likely shift down significantly, and the 25% would likely shift up. You should see a range of something like 1270-1370 (just a random guess).
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As a law student, I'm surprised you didn't bother to check the direct evidence. Michigan's SAT range is 1240-1400 as reported on the U of M official website (<a href="http://www.admissions.umich.edu/fastfacts.html)%5B/url%5D">http://www.admissions.umich.edu/fastfacts.html)</a>.</p>
<p>You also failed to recognize that it's not fair to compare the SAT scores directly. Michigan takes your best SAT score in a single sitting while NYU takes your best combined scores. Clearly if you compare the SAT scores in single sitting, NYU's range should drop some.</p>
<p>I <3 nyu:)</p>
<p>So far no one has brought up the most important point of comparison between UMich and NYU: the school colors of U of M are maize and blue; while the color of NYU is . . . lavender. . . . </p>
<p>(Sorry, couldn't resist.)</p>
<p>Well I did say "or something like that", I think it was close enough..... not all law students are uber-sticklers. Michigan law does have that laid back, sit on the law quad and play frisbee reputation.</p>
<p>Though, if Michigan calculate the SAT's differently (highest sitting v. highest combined) that is a very valid critique. I thought that all colleges used for the purposes of reporting (though not for admittance) the highest combined score. In which case it is very difficult to draw any comparison between which school has the superior avg. SAT.</p>
<p>The critique of NYU color's is also valid. However, its violet and not lavender!</p>
<p>if you love NYC, go to nyu</p>
<p>LawStudent, both universities report their SAT ranges. Michigan's is 1240-1400 (in one sitting) and NYU's is 1220-1410 (in multiple sittings).</p>
<p>I swear this is goign to be my last post, I've been drawn into the whole online posting thing before for law students and it takes toooooo much time.....</p>
<p>Thats not the info I have.......</p>
<p>First, NYU's SAT range seems to be reported at 1310-1440
<a href="http://admissions.nyu.edu/fast_facts/%5B/url%5D">http://admissions.nyu.edu/fast_facts/</a></p>
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<p><a href="http://sitemaker.umich.edu/obpinfo/files/umaa_freshprof.pdf%5B/url%5D">http://sitemaker.umich.edu/obpinfo/files/umaa_freshprof.pdf</a>
which reports the ranges at 590-690 (verbal) and 630-730 (math). </p>
<p>I would like to see some verification that NYU takes the highest combined scores as opposed to Michigan taking the highest sitting. My personal anecdote still stands. My impression of NYU undergrads (at least those in CAS and Stern) is still higher than Michigan ugrads (LSA and Ross). But I may know an unrepresentative sample.</p>