university of michigan-ann arbor or nyu

<p>I am not so sure about those stats LawStudent. They seem very suspecious. According to the USNWR, NYU's mid 50% SAT rage is 1220-1410 and only 63% graduated in the top 10% of their class. I see one of two possibilities. What NYU reported are the stats of their admitted class...not of their enrolled class. Or, secondly, NYU had an explosion in its selectivity standards. </p>

<p>Michigan's reports stats are clearly those of enrolled students. </p>

<p><a href="http://www.admissions.umich.edu/fastfacts.html%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://www.admissions.umich.edu/fastfacts.html&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p>

<p>At any rate, I agree that this debate is pointless. The students at both universities are generally quite smart, but they aren't exactly Harvard material. If one is down to those two universities, I think it is wiser to focus on what makes them different. Campus life and surroundings.</p>

<p>Alex,
Interesting observation. I've always wonder about that too. Here are the facts as reported for NYU:</p>

<p>USNWR (enrolled students 2004-05):</p>

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<p>NYU official website (2005-06) - Class of 2009 at a glance
<a href="http://admissions.nyu.edu/fast_facts/%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://admissions.nyu.edu/fast_facts/&lt;/a>
SAT score range (middle 50%): 1310-1440</p>

<p>The sizable jump from 1220-1410 to 1310-1440 is indeed suspicious. However, we can't directly verify it as the figures are a year apart. We need to get NYU's official Class of 2008 figures from last year. So I did a bit of digging around.</p>

<p>You might recall your debate with jwblue a year ago - "If you got into UMich, NYU-Stern, and Indiana (Kelley) ...." (<a href="http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/showthread.php?t=33307&page=3&pp=20%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/showthread.php?t=33307&page=3&pp=20&lt;/a&gt;) On post #42, jwblue quoted NYU freshman class SAT range as 1300-1450 and referenced the same source.</p>

<p>There is clearly a discrepancy between the two sets of figures:
1) SAT-v: 610-700; SAT-m: 610-710
2) SAT score range: 1300-1450</p>

<p>It appears that the stats as reported on NYU's website are those of their admitted students, not their enrolled freshman class.</p>

<p>Mark this post. You can verify this year's numbers when the NYU common data set for 2005-06 comes out in a few months.</p>

<p>I'd bet those were the admitted stats.</p>

<p>anyway...umm which law school is better? i got into stern and was planning to go to law school after undergrad...just curious which one is better</p>

<p>Probably NYU by a hair but both are Top 14 which is what matters.</p>

<p>Personally, I'd choose NYU. But that's just because I live/grew up in Ann Arbor and that kind of ruins U of M for me.</p>

<p>They're both top-notch schools, and Ross is great. My dad was enrolled in Ross (before switching to Engineering) and a lot of his co-workers went to Ross and they are all very sucessful.</p>

<p>Both NYU and Michigan law schools are ranked anywhere between #4 and #8. I'd say they are about equal.</p>

<p>you can only really compare year to year. if you go by the last year both schools report information (class of '08), michigan has a stronger incoming class. sats are practically equal. 1220-1420 (cds) at mich vs. 1220-1410 (cds) at nyu. but its the gpa that really is something to take note of.</p>

<p>the average gpa for incoming nyu student is 3.6. the 25% gpa for incoming michigan student is 3.6. to me this says that the average nyu student is about as good as the bottom 1/4 of michigan students. </p>

<p>I don't buy this whole "high schools are better/harder in the northeast" argument. I'm from the northeast, and I can name some pretty horrible high schools. And when you deal with a sample sizes so large (applicants to both schools), you lose that basis of comparison.</p>

<p>Comparing a very good high school in the northeast and a very good high school in the midwest (daughter has attended both) the workload in the northeast was much, much higher and I would say it was harder to get good grades.</p>

<p>hey - thats the way it works. but most kids don't go to the very best private/public high schools - most go to the one in their town. Not only that, the way high schools are "ranked" is purely based on the amount of aps students take - which in it of itself is bogus - some schools have requirements to take aps, others have open ap classes.</p>

<p>The high school curriculum around the country is pretty much exactly the same - and I don't believe for 1 second that the smartest kids from high school x in michigan would only be a middle of the pack students if he lived in new jersey/connecticutt. Only the best students from michigan go to ann arbor - so if you think that the top 10% of kids in michigan are only middle of the road students in the northeast, I think ur nuts.</p>

<p>Also, upon further reflection, michigan doesn't hand out A's. Look at it logically.</p>

<p>If the 25-75 gpa at michigan is 3.6 - 3.9, that means that 75% of the students have atleast a 3.6. But 90% are in the top 10%. I know at my private new jersey high school, the top 10% all had 4.0's (uw - 90 was considered an A). SO, if thats the case, people with even less than a 3.6 were in the top 10% of there class - and since most kids are from michigan - it stands to say that the michigan high schools are not handing out As.</p>

<p>I would have went with Mich, i like the small town thing.</p>