Unrepresentative admissions results

<p>As in years past, the people who report their admissions outcomes on CC are a disproportionately happy lot. I tallied the admit|WL|rejected outcomes for the larger popular schools:<br>
<a href="http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/prep-school-admissions/1623652-the-official-master-list-of-2014-prep-school-decisions-p1.html"&gt;http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/prep-school-admissions/1623652-the-official-master-list-of-2014-prep-school-decisions-p1.html&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p>

<p>The columns are:</p>

<p>1) percentage Admitted
2) percentage W/L
3) percentage Rejected
4) number Admitted
5) number W/L
6) number Rejected
7) total sample size</p>

<p>39% | 39% | 21% || 11 | 11 | 6 || 28 || Andover
44% | 42% | 14% || 16 | 15 | 5 || 36 || Exeter
29% | 47% | 24% || 5 | 8 | 4 || 17 || Lawrenceville
40% | 55% | 5% || 8 | 11 | 1 || 20 || Choate
30% | 67% | 4% || 8 | 18 | 1 || 27 || Deerfield
26% | 47% | 26% || 5 | 9 | 5 || 19 || St. Pauls
50% | 17% | 33% || 18 | 6 | 12 || 36 || Hotchkiss</p>

<p>Some interesting observations: </p>

<p>Hardly anyone got outrightly rejected from Choate or Deerfield. These 2 schools prefer to hand out W/L’s (i.e. weasel rejections). </p>

<p>Hotchkiss doesn’t beat around the bush; it either wants you or it doesn’t. I recall the AO we spoke with said they try to suss out the urban kids who will be unhappy in a remote rural location. </p>

<p>10% of those posting their outcomes received no acceptances. This is an under-reported group.</p>

<p>Thanks for doing this once again, GMT. I know it’s not fun to post W/L or Rejections, but I think the self-selection of CC posters (already a self selected group) skews the results numbers in a way that future applicants would mis-interpret.</p>

<p>Happy to oblige! :D</p>

<p>Hah! Stargirl, you know it’s not you I’m talking about…</p>

<p>I added some more schools that get mentioned a lot on CC: Loomis, Taft, Groton, St. Andrews, NMH. </p>

<p>39% | 39% | 21% || 11 | 11 | 6 || 28 || Andover
44% | 42% | 14% || 16 | 15 | 5 || 36 || Exeter
29% | 47% | 24% || 5 | 8 | 4 || 17 || Lawrenceville
40% | 55% | 5% || 8 | 11 | 1 || 20 || Choate
30% | 67% | 4% || 8 | 18 | 1 || 27 || Deerfield
26% | 47% | 26% || 5 | 9 | 5 || 19 || St. Pauls
50% | 17% | 33% || 18 | 6 | 12 || 36 || Hotchkiss
48% | 26% | 26% || 13 | 7 | 7 || 27 || Loomis
33% | 53% | 13% || 5 | 8 | 2 || 15 || Taft
45% | 45% | 9% || 5 | 5 | 1 || 11 || Groton
33% | 56% | 11% || 3 | 5 | 1 || 9 || St. Andrews
63% | 25% | 13% || 5 | 2 | 1 || 8 || NMH</p>

<p>The columns are:

  1. percentage Admitted
  2. percentage W/L
  3. percentage Rejected
  4. number Admitted
  5. number W/L
  6. number Rejected
  7. total sample size</p>

<p>This was a goof year for CCers who applied to NMH, Groton, Loomis, Hotchkiss, Exeter, and Choate. Its funny though, because I know most of the schools listed had lower acceptance rates than usual. Yes, I know that a lot of CCers will only post their acceptances if they post anything, but these stats are still compelling.</p>

<p>This raises the question: does being on CC have anything to do with getting in? (More educated on the subject, or whatever?)</p>

<p>I think sometimes it might- if you’re unfamiliar to the boarding school scene or set-up, then CC can certainly fill in some of the gaps. But I think that people that actually post on CC are also highly motivated, bright people who are dedicated to getting into a boarding school, and most will only actually post if they’re accepted somewhere. Being on CC can have downfalls and upsides- you have more information, but you have less of a gut instinct sometimes. And certainly if you make yourself known and then bash a school (or praise a school), you might have influence. But “being” on CC as a whole doesn’t affect the admissions decision. </p>

<p>@pd100 Yeah, that’s what I was going for. :)</p>

<p>I agree.
@GMTplus7: Thanks a lot!!! This was really useful info.</p>

<p>

For the most selective schools, I doubt CC had anything to do with getting in. I think it’s just a situation where the vastly more numerous applicants who did not get admitted are simply not posting their results. </p>

<p>Consider that Andover had over 3000 applicants in this admissions cycle. It admitted 400 kids and WL/rejected 2600. My tally for Andover has only 28 respondents, i.e. less than one percent of the total applicants. </p>

<p>The big takeaway from these numbers is not that participating on CC increases your chances, but that **the people who post here are not representative of the applicant pool. ** I am concerned that from reading the CC admit results, prospective applicants get an inflated view of what their chances really are. </p>

<p>@GMTplus7 Gotcha.</p>

<p>I’m the only CCer that I can remember who wasn’t admitted to Groton’s second form. There was calrenoma, Grisom123, MDMomofTwo, grotonguy, debatesomethingorother. Curious… very curious. </p>

<p>No, you’re probably the only courageous CCer who 'fessed up</p>

<p>GMTplus7 is probably right. (As usual.) ^:)^ </p>

Bump.

For perspective, CC results from last year’s admission round.

Keep in mind that the sample pool of respondents is very small.

Senior member I may be, but I didn’t join CC until after my son was admitted to prep school. I was one of the people that never posted about that Grotton wait list @StarGirl! It was too stressful back then to even get on much–way too much chancing and hardly any really useful info about the application process. So I think the skew makes perfect sense; you might lurk before March 10, but would you jump on again if your child had a pile of rejections? I doubt I would. Those of you still here are braver than I.

Love weasel rejections, aka waitlist @GMTplus7–though in our experience, some waitlist letters carry more promise than others.

As another veteran of the waitlists, I think only a few felt “real”; that is, as if there was still an AO advocating for the kid. Most were weasel rejections…love the term @classicalmama. Now go do your laundry. :slight_smile:

FYI, Admit/WL/Deny results from 2 years ago for perspective.