<p>^^Wrong about Cornell hockey & Penn basketball having the best or biggest sports traditions, unless you only include the past 6-7 years. Fact is Princeton's basketball team under Pete Carill is probably as great an era for an Ivy sports program as there has ever been.</p>
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<p>Historically speaking, yes, But I'm more concerned about how the athletic teams affect student life. Fact is, even in an off year for Cornell Hockey or Quaker Basketball, Lynah and the Palestra are still rocking. Not so at Princeton.</p>
<p>As someone who has received degrees from both Cornell and Penn, I want to reassure anyone who might be concerned that in my professional career, I have never, ever encountered anyone who makes hiring decisions between candidates based on their attendance at Penn versus Cornell. They are both considered to be excellent schools. In addition, I have never, ever encountered anyone making hiring decisions who cares which college you attended at Cornell, except if you are an architect and attended AA&P at Cornell, an engineer and attended the engineering school at Cornell or a nurse who attended the nursing school at Penn. </p>
<p>In my experience, both schools have students who do equally well in admissions to graduate and professional schools as well. </p>
<p>If Cornell is not the right environment for you (and it isn't for everyone), well then by all means transfer to a school that is better suited to your needs. The same goes for Penn. At the end of the day, you will receive a world class education at either school, surrounded by classmates from a wide range of backgrounds, socioeconomic statuses (though, in my experience, this is probably a bit more true of Cornell), ethnicities, religions, cultures, nationalities and academic strengths and weaknesses. Learning to accept these differences in your classmates is a big part of becoming an adult capable of making a positive contribution to society. </p>
<p>Attending either university is a blessing and something for which their respective students should be grateful. You will all have many opportunities and many doors opened to you in your lives as a result of your experiences at these schools.</p>
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Attending either university is a blessing and something for which their respective students should be grateful. You will all have many opportunities and many doors opened to you in your lives as a result of your experiences at these schools.
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<p>not lying sallyawp</p>
<p>Wow, I just asked a question and it blows up. Anyways I was going to ask who is cornell rival but apparently it is penn by the conversation.</p>
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I want to reassure anyone who might be concerned that in my professional career, I have never, ever encountered anyone who makes hiring decisions between candidates based on their attendance at Penn versus Cornell.
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<p>Exactly.</p>
<p>Penn and Cornell have traditionally been football rivals. The last game of the year is always played between the two teams for the Trustee Cup.</p>
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Wow, I just asked a question and it blows up. Anyways I was going to ask who is cornell rival but apparently it is penn by the conversation.
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<p>it blew up because our beloved Cornell to Penn transfer muerteapablo popped his head in...</p>
<p>If you want to see excellent rivalry in action....go to the Cornell vs. Harvard men's ice hockey game at Cornell :-D</p>
<p>What the heck is UPenn? Nobody at Penn calls it that.</p>
<p>This is aimed at CayugaRed2005 et. al who challenged me with regard to NRC rankings. Well, let me blow your minds. I did a bit of research on the most common majors at each school, and Cornell only beat Penn in one. Here they are:</p>
<p>Linguistics:</p>
<p>Penn: 5 Cornell: 9 Brown, Harvard, Yale:20, 21, 30 respectiv</p>
<p>Pharmacology:</p>
<p>Penn: 10 Cornell: 47 Harvard: 7 (for reference)</p>
<p>Neuroscience:</p>
<p>Penn: 10 Cornell: 24</p>
<p>Biomed engineering:</p>
<p>Penn: 5 Cornell: unlisted in top 30</p>
<p>Economics:</p>
<p>Penn: 8 Cornell: 18</p>
<p>Anthropology:</p>
<p>Penn: 6 Cornell: 31</p>
<p>Psych:</p>
<p>Penn: 8 Cornell: 14</p>
<p>Art History:</p>
<p>Penn: 9 Cornell: 23</p>
<p>English:</p>
<p>Penn: 8 Cornell: 7</p>
<p>French:</p>
<p>Penn: 5 Cornell: 8</p>
<p>Music:</p>
<p>Penn: 7 Cornell: 11</p>
<p>Religion:</p>
<p>Penn: 10 Cornell: unlisted in top 30</p>
<p>Spanish:</p>
<p>Penn: 6 Cornell: 8</p>
<p>Sociology:</p>
<p>Penn: 11 Cornell: 35 For reference: Harvard: 7 Yale: 19</p>
<p>In fact, Penn is one of the few universities that has a top 10 placement in the majority of fields (the others being Columbia, Harvard, Berkeley, and U. Chicago, to name a few).</p>
<p>As for the source: well, let's just say it's a little more recent than the 1995 ranking that CayugaRed2005 cited earlier.
NRC</a> Rankings in Linguistics</p>
<p>Just replace the "7" with any number between 1 and 41, and you should find all the ranking areas.</p>
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<p>I must say, for a Penn student, your level of intelligence is rather... low.</p>
<p>From the site that your referenced:</p>
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The 1995 National Research Council report <code>Research-Doctorate Programs in the United States: Continuity and Change'' summarizes the results of a survey performed in 1993. The basic message of my summary is that despite the great progress made by Texas A&M over the past three or four decades in the area of nationally visible research activities, the university has a long way to go to join the ranks of the leading national universities as it ranks somewhere around 50th of such universities, somewhere between 20th and 26th of public universities, and somewhere between fourth and sixth among what I call</code>narrowly focused'' land grant universities.
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<p>And I think all of you have demonstrated is your ability to cherry-pick departments that look favorable to Penn. Your failure to include any sort of physical science is hilarious.</p>
<p>Longtime readers of this board will know that when I compare Penn to Cornell for the quality of the academics, I will argue that it is a wash: Penn is better in the social sciences. Cornell is better in the natural and engineering sciences. And it's a wash for the humanities</p>
<p>Shall we look at the composite rankings?</p>
<p>NRC</a> Rankings</p>
<p>Arts & Humanities:
Cornell: 5
Penn: 9</p>
<p>Social Sciences:
Penn: 11
Cornell: 14</p>
<p>Physical Sciences & Math:
Cornell: 6
Penn: 31</p>
<p>Now, I don't think these are the end-all, be-all of departmental rankings, but I do know it is what the provosts and department chairs use. There are some notable questions: Cornell's sociology department is undoubtedly low, and I think Penn deserves more credit for computer science. And biology has changed so much in the last decade that the ranking has lost its meaning.</p>
<p>But, beyond the numbers, the larger point is that there is no discernible difference in the overall academic quality of the two institutions, nor is there any discernible difference in the quality of the students studying like disciplines in the liberal arts.</p>
<p>Much more importantly, neither school will give you a leg up on the other one. So please do choose your school based on fit and campus feel. I'm sorry you ever enrolled in Cornell in the first place; it obviously wasn't the right place for you.</p>
<p>muerteapablo, honestly, your attempts to make Penn seem academically superior to Cornell may make you feel better, but it hardly reflects real life experience. For the vast majority of employers and others who make hiring decisions, the two schools are both very highly regarded and any differences between the schools are subtle at best. In fact, since Penn was for many, many years (until about 10-12 years ago) considered to be one of the two easiest Ivy league school to get into (the other being Brown), many of the adults who are now the hiring partners, HR hiring staff and recruiters only remember that state of affairs and may judge accordingly, to the extent that they make distinctions at all. For the most part, though, there is no real distinction made in the real world between the quality of education and student body at the two schools. </p>
<p>Cornell and Penn are indeed very different schools, and if you chose to discuss the differences between the two on factors like city versus town location, specific programs or atmosphere (which does indeed differ), I think you would have won some points here. However, trying to find means to justify why one school is academically superior is not only foolish, but almost laughable because it is so out of touch with real world perceptions. </p>
<p>I hope that you are very happy with your choice to leave Cornell and attend Penn. Penn is a wonderful school with a lot to offer, and my husband and I both were fortunate to obtain degrees there. I wish you the very best of luck with your studies at Penn.</p>
<p>^ a very intelligent way of saying it</p>
<p>muerteapablo- is it your mission to bury cornell with pointless statistics? Do you really think that the ranks you used are credible to both schools as a whole? Do you really feel that a grad school would would admit (let's say hypothetically they are equal in terms of applicant strength) a Penn psych candidate over a Cornell psych candidate since according to ONE poll Cornell is ranked 14th and Penn is 8th? I'm pretty sure they would laugh hysterically at that. You have to be really dense to think numbers in polls like these actually have meaning, and even more dense to think that they actually change circumstances.</p>
<p>one more thing,</p>
<p>"In fact, Penn is one of the few universities that has a top 10 placement in the majority of fields (the others being Columbia, Harvard, Berkeley, and U. Chicago, to name a few)."</p>
<p>you only listed 14 programs...</p>
<p>I only listed 14 programs?</p>
<p>I was only picking the departments that most people major in, based on school averages.</p>
<p>Whatever makes you folks feel better. Cornell is a hard sciences/engineering school. </p>
<p>Finally, you left out a very key piece of information: Cornell doesn't actually beat Penn in Arts & Humanities, it only has 6 areas that rank in the top 10. Penn had 7, which is why its average was artificially lower. If you had taken the average of its top 6 departments, it would have been ranked higher than Cornell. Punished for having more.</p>
<p>Just so guys don't get to proud of yourselves, Brown was NEVER one of the easiest Ivies to get into, it was always Cornell. And yes, 15 years ago Penn was also at that level, but that's meaningless now. It's akin to saying that before 1885, Stanford didn't exist. It's completely immaterial.</p>
<p>That's all, and when the new NRC rankings come out later this month, we can have a rematch.</p>
<p>oh man, I bet everytime you think about how you're enrolled at Penn, you get a raging, turgid, hard-on.</p>
<p>I'm a girl.</p>
<p>That would have been a great reason to transfer, though. Viagra is just so damn expensive, these days.</p>
<p>Interestingly, I have gotten turned on from inanimate objects. Back in the day, smoking cigarettes really got me.</p>
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<p>Whoever said it did? I always said it was a wash.</p>
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<p>I think 2 people majored in linguistics last year at Cornell, compared to 100+ in computer science. And yet you included the former and excluded the later?</p>
<p>Okay.</p>
<p>Really? Penn had a bunch. I actually listed that because it was one of my majors. How selfish of me. What was yours?</p>
<p>And yes, in the realm of computer science Cornell is one of the best schools in the country. Not to worry, Penn will reach them soon. We have one of the best AI programs, and some other things too.</p>
<p>muerteapblo, I'm sorry that you had such a bad time at Cornell. I really am. And I'm glad that you have found a much better fit at Penn. But is it really worth the time to come to another school's board just to bash it? Wouldn't it be better for your own psychological benefit to go to Penn's board and extol it? You have made some good arguments, but a lot of your data interpretation is pretty flawed. And we all know your point of view now, so for your sake and for everyone here, please go praise Penn now. On the Penn board. Thank you.</p>
<p>^^thank you....now...can we answer the OP's original questions or let this thread die??</p>