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The best Michigan students go to UM in droves. VERY VERY few even think about any OOS schools. You go to UM if you are smart, maybe MSU Honors, or Northwestern if you can afford it and want to be a bit different.
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<p>A good % of the top students no doubt end up at UM - however, that hardly means that they don't apply to other schools (at the very least to see what their options are - with financial $$ and all) such as the Ivies, Stanford, etc.</p>
<p>k&s, from what I have seen, very few top students from Michigan bother applying to OOS universities, and many of those who do only do it halfway. </p>
<p>From 2001-2004, I was very actively involved in a corproate program that connected managers and executives with high schools in the state in an attempt to inform students on career paths. I dealt primarily with high school juniors and seniors from several major high schools in the Ann Arbor, Detroit and Grand Rapids areas. By major I mean the best school disctricts in the wealthiest areas as well as a couple of very highly regarded private schools including Detroit Country Day. I did not come accross many students who had any desire to leave the state, and those who did generally just wanted experience being far away from home. Most of the top students seemed pretty focused on just getting into Michigan and did not usually think of applying to top colleges out of state. However, the few that did typically had plans to leave the state.</p>
<p>Go Navy, that lists looks alright, but the athletics rankings look terribly skewed. Duke at 44, and Princeton in the top 10?</p>
<p>Okay, I don't even have to use princeton.</p>
<p>Abilene Christian University at 8? Above Michigan?</p>
<p>College ranking in 50 years:</p>
<ol>
<li>Harvard University</li>
<li>Stanford University</li>
<li>Yale University</li>
<li>California Institute of Technology</li>
<li>Massachussettes Institute of Technology</li>
<li>Princeton University</li>
<li>University of California, Berkeley</li>
<li>University of Pennsylvania</li>
<li>University of Chicago</li>
<li>Northwestern University</li>
<li>University of California, Los Angeles</li>
<li>New York University</li>
<li>Dartmouth University</li>
<li>Columbia University</li>
<li>University of Southern California</li>
<li>University of Texas, Austin</li>
<li>University of Michigan, Ann Arbor</li>
<li>Brown University</li>
<li>Rutgers</li>
<li>Rice University</li>
<li>University of Virginia</li>
<li>Cornell University</li>
<li>University of North Carolina - Chapel Hill</li>
<li>Boston College</li>
<li>Washington University in St. Louis</li>
<li>Johns Hopkins University</li>
<li>University of California, San Diego</li>
<li>Georgetown University</li>
<li>Carnegie Mellon University</li>
<li>University of Montana</li>
</ol>
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30. University of Montana
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<p>HAHAHA. And there goes any thought of taking that list seriously.</p>
<p>Yeah, pretty much haha</p>
<p>Don't hate on Montana! They have 83 people in their law school!</p>
<p>princeton on top #1 forever</p>
<p>I very much hope that list is a joke...</p>
<p>I haven't thought the same about USNA since I encountered "Annapolis Autumn" by Bruce Fleming.</p>
<p>From a diversity pov HYPSMs trump the SAs. </p>
<p>And in academics most of the HYPSMs have few admitted students in the 2nd decile (in high school) while the SAs have many in the 2nd as well as 3rd and even 4th.</p>
<p>The SAs also have very limited options for majors and no lengthy immersion experiences for language/culture study abroad.</p>
<p>In addition, I question the selectivity percentages they report in that only the applicants who have received a nomination are truly eligible for selection.</p>
<p>Overall, I like the SAs but I think USNews is correct in placing them in specialty rankings. They just aren't comparable to the large and most selective colleges and universities.</p>
<p>UChicago will be much higher than 9!
And, I think University of Minnesota might even be in the top 30 in 50 years because of their driven to discover initiative.</p>
<p>Things I agree with dhl3 on:
Stanford will move up.
CIT will move above MIT.
Yale will remain in the top 3, if not, very close.
I do see Berkeley moving up.
I don't see NYU, USC, UT, Rutgers, Montana or UCLA being up as high as they are.
I think WashU and Johns Hopkins will be higher and Brown will be lower.</p>
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from what I have seen, very few top students from Michigan bother applying to OOS universities, and many of those who do only do it halfway. </p>
<p>From 2001-2004, I was very actively involved in a corproate program that connected managers and executives with high schools in the state in an attempt to inform students on career paths. I dealt primarily with high school juniors and seniors from several major high schools in the Ann Arbor, Detroit and Grand Rapids areas. By major I mean the best school disctricts in the wealthiest areas as well as a couple of very highly regarded private schools including Detroit Country Day. I did not come accross many students who had any desire to leave the state, and those who did generally just wanted experience being far away from home. Most of the top students seemed pretty focused on just getting into Michigan and did not usually think of applying to top colleges out of state. However, the few that did typically had plans to leave the state.
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<p>alex - California, despite having 2 top notch public universities (3 if you count UCSD), sends a lot of kids to the top privates and other universities across the nation.</p>
<p>I really doubt students in Michigan are that different (I'm sure Michigan students are well represented at the Ivies, Stanford, UChicago, Northwestern, Duke, etc.).</p>
<p>"Sad. It's a great feeling watching your school on tv"</p>
<p>Dude, Northwestern gets HAMMERED by the rest of the Big Ten on a regular basis. It can't be that fun.
Great Northwestern Football:
"Northwestern holds the all-time records for Division I-A losses, points allowed, and negative point differential (amount opponents have outscored them by). They are also on the losing end of the greatest comeback in Division I-A history, blowing a 38-3 lead in the third quarter of a 41-38 loss to Michigan State on October 21, 2006"</p>
<p>Basketball is worse:
Tied for last in the Big Ten Last Year. 0 NCAA Tournament bids in its history.</p>
<p>You guys do have a killer Women's Lacrosse Team and who doesn't love women's lacrosse? (Everybody)</p>
<p>The best part about Northwestern sports is watching our teams win and lose in the most hilarious ways possible. So yes, it is indeed a great feeling watching the school on tv. </p>
<p>Rise, Northwestern,
We'll always stand by you,
Go, Northwestern,
We will ever cheer and sing for you to
Win, Northwestern,
Our hearts will ever yearn
For the Purple banner waving high
For Northwestern!</p>
<p>:rolleyes:</p>
<p>They never win though...ever.</p>
<p>k&s -</p>
<p>No Michigan really does feed UM and focus there and only there. The 'smart kids' go to UM or MSU Honors. Very few have even heard of the Ivies outside HY.</p>
<p>And Northwestern has a very competitive football team(3 BT championships in the past 15 years I believe, which is amazing considering competition with UM, OSU, UW, PSU, and so on). Northwestern USED to suck, since then, they have had exceptional coaching and been a very competitive team in one of, if not the, best conferences in the nation.</p>
<p>Thats why they finished 4-8 last year, right? The anomaly was the 3 or 4 years they had a passable team.</p>
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Dude, Northwestern gets HAMMERED by the rest of the Big Ten on a regular basis. It can't be that fun.
Great Northwestern Football:
"Northwestern holds the all-time records for Division I-A losses, points allowed, and negative point differential (amount opponents have outscored them by). They are also on the losing end of the greatest comeback in Division I-A history, blowing a 38-3 lead in the third quarter of a 41-38 loss to Michigan State on October 21, 2006"
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<p>Uhh, much of that happened during the "dark ages" (the '80's) when the school admin. de-emphasized sports.</p>
<p>Prior to last year when the team had to deal with the death of Coach Walker, inexperienced frosh QBs, a new coach and OC - the Wildcats went 5-3 in the B10 for 3 straight years (and that's with missing Indiana and Minny on the schedule).</p>
<p>I'd hardly call that "being hammered on a regular basis" (the ‘Cats are .500 against Barry Alvarez-led Badger teams and have beaten the Illini 4 years running - granted, lately, that’s no great shakes, but it does point out who has been getting “hammered” lately).</p>
<p>And oh, the only teams to have won more B10 championships than NU (with 3) since 1995 are dOSU and Mich. </p>
<p>This year, barring injury to the starting QB and RB, the ‘Cats should finish around 7-5.</p>
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Basketball is worse:
Tied for last in the Big Ten Last Year. 0 NCAA Tournament bids in its history.
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<p>No doubt NU BB hasn’t been good, but looking at one year hardly paints an accurate picture.
For the 3 seasons prior to last year, when the team had to be built around a freshman scorer (all the top players lost to graduation), the team finished with an overall record of around .500 and averaged 7 wins in the conference (not great, but respectable).</p>
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You guys do have a killer Women's Lacrosse Team and who doesn't love women's lacrosse? (Everybody)
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<p>Over half of NU’s teams were nationally ranked last year.</p>
<p>Grouch - you obviously no little about this topic, so it may be prudent to be silent about it.</p>